2017 Mosconi Cup Scores and Individual Records

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Here are the final records for the 2017 Mosconi Cup.

Scoring the way it counts, by matches:
  • Day 1 -- USA 1, Europe 4
  • Day 2 -- USA 1, Europe 4
  • Day 3 -- USA 2, Europe 2
  • Day 4 -- USA 0, Europe 1
  • Total -- 4 - 11 (USA winning percentage of 27%)

Scoring by games rather than matches:
  • Day 1 -- USA 18, Europe 21
  • Day 2 -- USA 10, Europe 24
  • Day 3 -- USA 16, Europe 18
  • Day 4 -- USA 3, Europe 5
  • Total -- 47 - 68 (USA winning percentage of 41%)

Match Records of Individual players. For the following records, I counted a full win or loss for each player in each match (i.e., not splitting the point into fifths for the teams match or halves for doubles matches). So these numbers essentially answer the question: "In how many winning and losing matches was each player involved?"


  • Team USA
    • • Van Boening ..... 1-1 singles, 0-3 doubles, 0-1 teams, 1-5 total (winning percentage of 17%)

      • Hatch ..... 0-2 singles, 2-0 doubles, 0-1 teams, 2-3 total (40%)

      • Woodward ..... 0-1 singles, 0-3 doubles, 0-1 teams, 0-5 total (0%)

      • Dominguez ..... 0-1 singles, 1-2 doubles, 0-1 teams, 1-4 total (20%)

      • Thorpe ..... 1-0 singles, 1-2 doubles, 0-1 teams, 2-3 total (40%)

      Team USA Total ..... 2-5 singles, 4-10 doubles, 0-5 teams, 6-20 total (23%)

    Team Europe
    • • Souquet ..... 1-0 singles, 2-1 doubles, 1-0 teams, 4-1 total (80%)

      • Van den Berg ..... 0-1 singles, 2-1 doubles, 1-0 teams, 3-2 total (60%)

      • Alcaide ..... 1-0 singles, 2-1 doubles, 1-0 teams, 4-1 total (80%)

      • Shaw ..... 1-1 singles, 2-1 doubles, 1-0 teams, 4-2 total (67%)

      • Filler ..... 2-0 singles, 2-0 doubles, 1-0 teams, 5-0 total (100%)

      Team Europe Total ..... 5-2 singles, 10-4 doubles. 5-0 teams, 20-6 total (77%)


Another way of looking at the match records is to count a full point for each player in a singles win or loss, half a point for each player in a doubles win or loss, and one-fifth of a point for each player in a team win or loss. So the following numbers essentially answer the question: "What numerical contribution did each player make to the overall Mosconi Cup match scores?"


  • Team USA
    • • Van Boening ..... 1.0 - 2.7 (winning percentage of 27%)
      • Hatch ..... 1.0 - 2.2 (31)
      • Woodward ..... 0 - 2.7 (0%)
      • Dominguez ..... 0.5 - 2.2 (19%)
      • Thorpe ..... 1.5 - 1.2 (56%)

      Team USA Total ..... 4 - 11 (27%)

    Team Europe
    • • Souquet ..... 2.2 - 0.5 (81%)
      • Van den Berg ..... 1.2 - 1.5 (44%)
      • Alcaide ..... 2.2 - 0.5 (81%)
      • Shaw ..... 2.2 - 1.5 (59%)
      • Filler ..... 3.2 - 0 (100%)

      Team Europe Total ..... 11 - 4 (73%)


Game Records of Individual Players. Counting half a point for each player in a doubles win or loss (so the totals will add to 115 games), here are the individual records for games won and lost (including the 8 games played in the teams match):


  • Team USA
    • • Van Boening ..... 11.0 - 15.5 (winning percentage of 42%)
      • Hatch ..... 12.0 - 15.0 (44%)
      • Woodward ..... 5.0 - 13.5 (27%)
      • Dominguez ..... 9.0 - 12.0 (43%)
      • Thorpe ..... 10.0 - 12.0 (45%)

      Team USA Total ..... 47 - 68 (41%)

    Team Europe
    • • Souquet ..... 13.0 - 9.0 (59%)
      • Van den Berg ..... 11.0 - 10.0 (52%)
      • Alcaide ..... 14.0 - 6.0 (70%)
      • Shaw ..... 14.0 - 13.5 (51%)
      • Filler ..... 16.0 - 8.5 (65%)

      Team Europe Total ..... 68 - 47 (59%)
 
watchez said:
How about shooting accuracy for each player?
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Say a bit more about what you're looking for there. If you mean Accu-Stats TPA's for each player, I leave that to Pat Fleming. He was watching and may publish some of his own stats. A commentator on Day 2 said that Pat had provided the TPA's for Day 1 -- .842 for Team USA and .832 for Team Europe -- but that was team aggregates rather than for each player.

I'll be posting some info for each player in my break stats thread.
 
Any chance you would know the % of times either side won the rack when the number of visits to the table was >= 3?


I have a feeling this is where we lose the most.
 
BeiberLvr said:
Any chance you would know the % of times either side won the rack when the number of visits to the table was >= 3?


I have a feeling this is where we lose the most.
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Yes, I can determine that, but probably not tonight. Games that did not end in one inning (by either player), right?
 
This was the first year that Team Europe didn't include anyone representing England.
 
TX Poolnut said:
Man, they kicked our asses.
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As far as " who gets the cheez " yes. But if you were to look at the second set of figures of individual games vs. sets it reads quite a bit different. The difference when looking at games vs sets it was actually much closer then what the final record shows. What it also indicates to me is " dog ". Meaning we were close enough in enough sets to have won and changes the overall outcome, but alas we just didn't get there. With a 41% win on games that's fairly close. Take out the worst outlier ( loss ) and probably outs us right around the 50 % mark which is obviously a coin flip - which is WAY WAY much different than everyone's opinion that we " got our nuts shot off ", " we can't compete ", " we are ages behind the Euros " etc etc.

As I mentioned in another thread, I don't believe the Euros are way ahead of anyone on the whole; but as proven by the numbers they won case games and key games and that in itself was the difference between winning and losing. Also, with such short sets anything is possible and we have just been on the short end of the stick for a bit now - not much different imo than a run of bad cards at the Black Jack table. You just need a bankroll that can sustain you thru " the bad cards " until they turn good again and with the races to 5 that " bankroll " was short. Justin Bergman hit it right on the head and was saying the same thing basically - out of 100 different Mosconi cups it would end up close to 50 / 50 and I believe that as well. We are on a losing streak right now, for reasons I noted above but in no way do I believe they have much greater talent than we do or are some how superior to the US In any meaningful way - PERIOD.

I've used this a couple times already as an example : to anyone that thinks the European players are superior to the US players I'd certainly bet if matched up one on oNE - however you would like to ,arch them up is fine ) with a US counterpart and a gambling session ensued ( better than a coin flip race to 5 of course ) then it would be the Euros getting their nuts shot off! Now of course we are gonna have those that comment about format, Yada Yada Yada and yes I agree we have to be able to win in the Format of the Mosconi Cup and in regards to that a gambling session is irrelevant. But my point is once back on the upswing people will finally realize there is no huge despairity between the two factions and using gambling as an example should prove that now, not waiting for the ha the upswing. I Truly think it is Super silly to think or say the US players are outclassed by the Euros. What could be said is we have dogged it in some critical positions. With that said , I don't think we will dog it everytime and we will have our days again soon! ( Mayne by implementing my ideas posted in the other thread )😊
 
BmoreMoney said:
... With a 41% win on games that's fairly close. Take out the worst outlier ( loss ) and probably outs us right around the 50 % mark ...
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Nah, 41% isn't really close. Team Europe won 45% more games than Team USA.

If you remove that 5-0 "outlier" match, like you suggest, it still leaves it at 47-63. That's a 43% winning percentage for Team USA, with Team Europe winning 34% more games than Team USA.

Sure, quite a few matches could have had different winners if only this or that had happened. But that argument goes both ways. Three of Team USA's 4 wins were in hill/hill matches.

In this current streak of Team USA losing the Cup 10 times in the last 11 years, their winning percentage in games has dropped below 40% only twice (both times to 39%).
 
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