Can you post any links to go to and watch how players get a perfect rack, break, 1 to 9 combo after the break in which a triangle rack was used and NOT a rack aid?
Alternate break is ruining pool
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Can you post any links to go to and watch how players get a perfect rack, break, 1 to 9 combo after the break in which a triangle rack was used and NOT a rack aid?
One last question. Is Cory Duel the ONLY Pro player in the world smart enough to master a soft break, or can other players learn how to break like that as well? And how many racks in a row has Cory ran breaking soft?
Everything is give and take. Winner breaks provide for the excitement of watching high-runs. Alternate breaks provides a chance to see both players compete by bringing both back to the table on a defined regular basis.
I disregard both.
I like to consider the wisdom of other sports. I am unaware of any sport that allows a player to score without limit while an opponent just sits in a chair and can do absolutely nothing about it.
A tournament can have consecutive Break & Runs with alternate breaks. I do it all the time in my events. I have special cash awards for it.
I disregard both.
I like to consider the wisdom of other sports. I am unaware of any sport that allows a player to score without limit while an opponent just sits in a chair and can do absolutely nothing about it.
A tournament can have consecutive Break & Runs with alternate breaks. I do it all the time in my events. I have special cash awards for it.
That style of break is pretty much been banned by new rules. Some events say "x" number of balls past sides and others say "x" number past the headstring. Corey at DCC(3:50in): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL_LguXG1BY
Lots of people have played around with the soft break. People at C and B levels were doing it in tournaments. And those tournaments have set rules for no soft breaks as well.
No idea what Corey's high run is.
What I know is that getting the same layout each rack of 9 ball where almost nothing goes past half the table is not something I am willing to call "playing pool".
So is it your firm belief that an opponent would be sitting in the chair while his opponent ran out 10 consecutive racks to win early by knock out as I've stated, even though the opposing player has the option to match the same high rack run before being declared the losing player? Or maybe you're thoughts are still focused on blending amateurs with Pro's and make it fair for everyone as to keep up participation in your events. I for one am only interested in the PRO players competing and getting paid.
And what was wrong with that break, and run out....he didn't give his opponent a chance to shoot?...LOL oooh well, that's the way it goes sometimes. But did Cory break and run 10 racks?
So is it your firm belief that an opponent would be sitting in the chair while his opponent ran out 10 consecutive racks to win early by knock out as I've stated, even though the opposing player has the option to match the same high rack run before being declared the losing player? Or maybe you're thoughts are still focused on blending amateurs with Pro's and make it fair for everyone as to keep up participation in your events. I for one am only interested in the PRO players competing and getting paid.
No. I am only considering the rules and traditions of every other sport on the planet. It is my opinion that we could take some lessons here.
No. I am only considering the rules and traditions of every other sport on the planet. It is my opinion that we could take some lessons here.
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And the OLD school rule of playing pool is, if your opponent is beating you by shooting straighter, LEARN to shoot straighter, if you opponent is out BANKING you for the win, LEARN to bank better, if your opponent is racking and breaking better than you, then LEARN TO RACK AND BREAK BETTER!!!
In PROFESSIONAL ONLY event's there is NO places for AMATEUR RULES OF PLAY, there's NO AMATEURS playing against the PRO'S!!
That didn't look like a soft break to me. Did he hit it as hard as he could? No. But I didn't consider it soft.
Well I'll tell you what, when you find the sport that allows the Amateurs to complete with, and even share the payouts with, the DON'T separate the PRO'S from the AMATEURS in normal play so that the PRO'S can make a living....get back to me on that search ok?
That's not Corey's soft break. Ever been to DCC? I have and that's about the normal breaking speed. The old WadeCrane-style crush you just don't see anymore. BTW, don't try putting words in my mouth. I posted that link to show Corey's normal break speed. Look dude, your little "fantasy" of some pro-only, winner break, PGA-tour style pool tour is just that , a FANTASY. You can harp and whine all you want about the way tournaments are currently, that's your call. The CamelPBT came close to getting it right but greed(WOW what a surprise!!) killed it. That was what, 17-18 years ago? Other than that late-night scam artist's IPT disaster has there been ANY other viable pool tours? Maybe Appleton's WPS will fly but only time will tell.
He's saying it was an illegal break because 1 ball got pocketed and only 2 balls went past the side pockets....LOL
Wouldn't you just shit your pants if suddenly, i showed up as the sponsor for PRO'S only because i have a product to sell that the more i SPONSOR Pro events, the more money i make...:thumbup: And for the record, i predicted the failure of the Camel tour and the IPT, wasn't even CLOSE to being done right...LMAO
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I agree. His soft break is REALLY soft. Most of the players at DCC break close to the speed of Corey in the vid. On new 860 those balls move pretty good.
If you get 3 balls past the sides, that would be a good normal break to my viewpoint, or two balls past the headstring. The rule they setup with 3 balls past the headstring makes an illegal break out of too many good breaks hit at speed.
I did not like the DCC rules at all, rack your own and the 9 counted on the break. Watched a match with Mika and Scott Frost, the 9 went in straight in the corner on Scott's break several times and towards the corner quite a lot. This is not the 70s, every pro should know exactly how the rack works and why the 9 shoots to the corner.
On a side note, I was watching a 90s match with the Miz commentating, he said if the 9 did not move the rack was loose and if it was tight the 9 ball would be moving LOL One thing Miz did not know much was the 9 ball rack and break.
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Don't know me very well do you...LOL i also dreamed about building the best coin operated pool tables in the world, then started building them in 1995-2000 when met up with Diamond, and merged my design with them to create the Smart table....hows that dream coming along? I also dreamed about building and selling the best ball polisher in the world, so i designed it, built it, got bored with it....so, i gave Diamond production rights.....hows that dream coming along? I'm approving another one of my dreams this week, and when that one comes along....the world will get in line to get it. LOL i don't have dreams first, then go buy a lottery ticket wondering what's my chances of pursuing my dreams.....i leave that to you people
I first met Cory way back when he was perfecting his soft break using the Sardo rack because he realized it was a flaw to create a perfect rack, as that would lead to the perfect break....yeah, not that you mention it, i HAVE seen Corys soft break:thumbup:
Which is why it's so important today, that the matches have to be played to 21 games, allowing for an early out if the match score is lopsided as to not bore the viewers. Which is why it's also extremely important to go to a single elimination format for several reasons, 1) being a 128 player tournament field can start and finish over a Fri, Sat, and Sun as to not drag the event out during the work week. 2) every player knows everthing is on the line as there is NO second chance. 3) stop the player bleeding money, lose the first or second match, get paid and go home, no more need to keep paying to stick around. 4) single elimination format allows for longer races so as to give the better players more of a chance to advance through the field of other players. 5) by ending matches at 3 hours, with a 30 minute break between rounds, players would KNOW when their next match is in advance, and what TIME it starts so they have time to eat, sleep, or whatever.
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