The best sponsor for pool?

The answer is that there's no ideal corporate sponsor that could possibly inject enough money and infrastructure to a professional US tour to ever make it worth their time or money. Period.

Pool in the US will never get past the image of gambling in a smoke filled bar (even though bars are now non-smoking). Pool has no developmental system. Yeah there are pockets of junior leagues around the US, but nothing like organized club sports. These things make it hard to market to the masses, which in turn make it hard to get any return on investment for the sponsor.

No to bad, but the real question is who's the sponsor?
 
I hear ya. I just used their names as an example of someone with enuff $$$ to light a few million on fire staking a pool tour. Maybe get the weed growers and the Mexican cartel to up a few bucks. Now THOSE boys got ready/spare cash.;)

Wrong again, their money can't pass the federal restrictions.
 
Okay. Just google the figures if you think they're fake news, you'll find multiple sources. Regardless of that, there are other readily available figures which show the popularity of Chinese pool vs US pool. For starters, compare how many pool halls there are in the US vs China. Check out Billiards Congress of America and Chinese Billiards Association for the latest tally. Like it or not, China has 20 times more clubs than North America. 200,000 vs less than 10,000.

I get that Chinese 8 ball hasn't taken off in the US. But, you asked how pool players could become millionaires. In terms of the degree of participation, the speed the game is currently growing and current prize money (world masters up from $45k 2017 to $151k 2018), I think that's where millionaires are going to be coming from.
Whats the payout to the top 20 Chinese 8 ball players in a full year of playing???
 
Asia is definitely THE growth market for pool. Chinese 8ball will never be big in the States. Recreational players would try it and walk away. Too tough and too slow. I could see(faintly) some sort of world tour(9b-10b) with a couple US events but never a US-based big-time pool tour.

Did i ever mention US based? Pool is international, so younhave to look at it in that light!!
 
Actual, serious answer? This: i'd try to get three- a major brewer, a cell phone maker(or big provider) and a large fast-food chain. Give me all three and with the right promoters it might get off the ground.

So charity is still your thoughts, your whole idea? Tell me something, just exactly how would you dispense lets say, 2mil in added money for tournaments?? Who would be doing all the playing, and how does that provide a return to your listed sponsor's?
 
Best honest answer I can think of.....drum roll...Red Bull.

Every sport they get into they dominate and put their brand on top.

Transcends nations, ages, genders. They know how to advertise and can get them selfs on TV. Who else could get Plane Aerial Races on the tube. Red Bull. Who else broke into the Cola space with a new Drink. Red Bull. Who else could afford the relatively small marketing expenditure to back stop a tour.... you guessed it RED BULL.

I hate the zhit but the sponsor pool they get my dollars. They understand that.


Read this. https://www.assemble.tv/blog/how-red-bull-took-sports-marketing-to-a-new-level


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I don't know, is red bull international?
 
I'm not sure there is a suitable corporate sponsor at this time. I can't think of a company who's marketing dollars would be best spent on cue sports other than the manufacturers themselves. There is obviously not enough money there, so you would have to pull dollars from outside the sport.

So my answer is pool in high school's and Colleges. I keep seeing these stats that show there are more players now than there ever have been in the US. At the same time more pool halls are closing every day. Best I can tell the majority are barfly bangers just looking for something to do between drinks and smoke breaks. Until we create a base which looks at the game as a sport it will never flourish into something that can give back to a corporate sponsor.

Take it down another level and the best sponsor is you, the player. There are plenty of great people out there doing just what I described above. Mark Wilson being at the top of that list. I guess its the saying "if you build it they will come" build a great base of sportsman and you will in turn build a following of people who want to watch a sport and those people buy stuff so you will attract corporate sponsors.

You're not to far off.
 
Ok, it's clear I'm going to have to give all of you an example of thinking outside of the box. Let's imagine for a minute there's a payper view event coming up next weekend, the cost is 9.95 a day, Fri, Sat, and Sun. Rounded off that's $30.00. Now lets say you saw a McDonald's commercial promoting the payper view event, and during the commercial you saw that if you come buy a number 1 meal, you'll recieve a free ppv pass with each nbr 1 meal, good for viewing the ppv dor free. After the weekend McDonald's lets me know how many nbr 1 meals they sold for advertizing my event, and then kicks back $1 for each meal sold. Now lets say this ppv event was so in demand by pool players all over the world because their most favorite players were playing in a real world championship, in which every player for the first time ever was getting paid, and a real world champion was going to get a real earned title! Would you rather pay the $30 3day ppv and watch, or go buy 3 nbe 1 meals and watch with your free pass????
And that's just the advertiser, not the real SPONSOR!!!
 
That's what you call a win win for everyone, because maybe world wide McDonald's sells a million nbr 1 meals, and then kicks in 1 million for the ppv!!....because ALL the players are international players, coming to compete from many different countries....all with fans at home who want to see how their player is doing!!!
 
Think i still have no idea what I'm talking about?:rolleyes: there's a lot more to this than being that simple, but I'm not going into those details.
 
And to make it as simple as i can, the sponsor is the public, any business that puts up or contributes ANY kind of money, is an advertiser, because the bottom line to them is the ROI, return on investment, whcih is why they spend advertising dollars, to tuen a PROFIT with advertising dollars!! It's a tax deduction that produces a profit. To just simply sponsor pool with no return is called a LOSS.
 
Pool is missing a few certain key elements needed in order to get on a world stage that has to be overcome FIRST in order for PROFESSIONAL POOL to even exist!!!
 
That's what you call a win win for everyone, because maybe world wide McDonald's sells a million nbr 1 meals, and then kicks in 1 million for the ppv!!....because ALL the players are international players, coming to compete from many different countries....all with fans at home who want to see how their player is doing!!!

You're putting the cart before the horse.

Pool would have to be on par with the NBA or MLB before McD's would ever agree to a deal like that.

Realistically, why would McDonald's agree to give a hypothetical "$1" from every #1 meal to pool when pool will bring in probably less than one percent of those #1 sales... That dollar must be close to 15 percent of the menu price.

Sorry, but it's pie-in-the-sky.
 
You're putting the cart before the horse.

Pool would have to be on par with the NBA or MLB before McD's would ever agree to a deal like that.

Realistically, why would McDonald's agree to give a hypothetical "$1" from every #1 meal to pool when pool will bring in probably less than one percent of those #1 sales... That dollar must be close to 15 percent of the menu price.

Sorry, but it's pie-in-the-sky.
You should slow down when you read so you fully understand what you're reading. The free pass don't come with the meal, it's given out upon request, paid for with the meal. I have a friend that owns 150 McDonald's stores, I've worked on his home pool table. He's interested in testing my advertising idea once everything else is in place.....but, you're probably right;)
 
You should slow down when you read so you fully understand what you're reading. The free pass don't come with the meal, it's given out upon request, paid for with the meal. I have a friend that owns 150 McDonald's stores, I've worked on his home pool table. He's interested in testing my advertising idea once everything else is in place.....but, you're probably right;)

.............lol ;)
 
To make that broad of a statement that pools "bad reputation" is going to hold pool back for ever is like when i lived in Europe for 7 years, the only time you ever heard of someone being murdered, raped, mugged....was if it was American G.I. involved, so if American pool players were banned from the world of pool....would that be enough to fix the "bad reputation" so that others could make playing pool a sucessful sport?



While it is correct that the only time you hear about crime in English language media in Europe or Asia is when there are Americans involved, especially service members, the reason is it feeds into their local nationalist movements and serves as a way of wringing additional $’s from the US Govt. Never-mind that the crime rate for 18-30 year old men from the local population is typically around 5-7 times higher than for GIs.


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The best sponsor for pool in the US would probably be Joy, but only if you don't mind adapting to the chinese table


Not even then, if Americans took to the Chinese 8Ball tables someone like Diamond or Brunswick would start making them and Joy still wouldn’t be able to sell their tables to the US.



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Not even then, if Americans took to the Chinese 8Ball tables someone like Diamond or Brunswick would start making them and Joy still wouldn’t be able to sell their tables to the US.



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Sales is the reason for calling the game Chinese 8 ball because the truth of the matter is the snooker style bar tables and 9ft snooker tables is nothing new. I played on them way back in 1976 in Germany. In fact, i use to drive down the Frankfurt and gamble with the G.I.s that would come down town to the Plantation night club on 3 Valley 7ft bar tables, they were always packed. On one of the weekends i went down to play, since it always produced at least 2-3 hundred, it was one of the best places to make easy money, i walk in the door about 10pm and automatically look over at the tables to get an idea as to how many would be playing that night....and what the hell, not one pool table is being played. So i walk over and notice the Valleys had been replaced with English 8 ball tables with snooker pockets....well, there goes making any money there anymore, no one, and i mean NO ONE would play on the tables, so it ended up being a wasted trip.

No, even if Diamond were to build the Chinese 8 ball tables, they wouldn't be allowed to be used in Chinese 8 ball events because the real truth of the matter is sales of pool tables, that's is, and if anyone can't see that, you're blind!!! Once again, Pro players are being sucked in by the so called tournament payouts, the missleading numbers of popularity of the game, for the sole purpose of using the Players to market the pool tables. Look at the payouts, how many players can make a living placing lower than 8th place vs how many play in the events? It's a page taken right out of the American pool table manufactures hand book on how to market your product people, nothing more. It's a dog eat dog world in the Billiards industry and every manufacture is fighting for sales anyway they can get them, meanwhile no one's looking after the growth of this sport, which is why it's dwindling in the US and growing like wildfire out of country, because it's new blood when you're exporting pool tables!!!
 
Mcdonalds, okay. That's not thinking outside the box, that's just picking the name of one of the world's biggest brands out of the hat. Could have said pepsi or coke.

McDonalds bankrolling pool is a nice idea, but what's in it for them? Why would they get involved with a PPV pool event when they can sponsor something that people can watch for free?

Honestly, McDonalds don't need brand awareness, and if they want to bump up sales they release a new burger and do some advertising.

Here's an old, but interesting, article from the UK about why McDonalds sponsor sports. You might be surprised at the reasons.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11332724

And once again, no mention of brand awarness from me as McDonald's is a household name in every country, and every home. I'm looking at McDonald's as more of a ticket master outlet, an easy place to pick up a ppv pass and grab a bite to eat while you're at it. I'm not looking for McDonald's to host a world 10ball championsip with a million dollars added. I just know it's easier to sell a meal for $9.95 than it is to collect it from the cheapass, whinning American pool players who won't get out of their own way and come together to help straighten this sport out because they're to hung up on asking the question....what's in it for me? And i can't play and win with those rules, i don't stand a chance, so I'm not going to pay my entry fee then we'll see how you like that you tournament promoters....and you're ripping us pool players off because you're with holding money to pay yourselves instead of paying ALLthe money to us pool players!! Yeah, I'm really going to invest in the American pool players....LMAO
 
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