The best sponsor for pool?

THE answer - the HORSE if you will (responsible for the massive “pool purse” pulling the cart full of add-on “advertisers” and other “sponsors”) is simple, Glen...

But Wait.


There would need to be other reasonable objections and current hurdles taken care of FIRST in the name of (mostly) state laws and regulations - which has been done in many other countries doing this same thing you ask of...cashing in on their very own “why” which is generating revenue way above and beyond the pool purse and promotion dollars - AND generating the huge fan base necessary to sustain their “why”. Which by way of the massive pool purses, allow payouts for the pro and amateur players here in the USA while drawing international attention and players from abroad.

Online betting.

The secret of World Snooker.

Gambling. Anyone; anytime; anywhere.

Enter Fargo Ratings.

Odds makers.

Model the business plan with what is successful generating billions of dollars in the wagering world and enhance with things unique to American cultures - and watch the sponsors flood in droves. The viewership will be in the millions. 450 MILLION tune in to World Snooker alone.

Simple.

But you already knew this answer, Glen.

Great thread starter and question BTW!




~ K
 
Jay's got it

As for McDonald's I would ask the same question you asked other posters, what does McDonald's get out of it? I can see this in the future, but this is hardly the starting point.

I agree with Jay, I have always felt we need to get the movement started in the schools, high school and College. Jay, i don't agree that we need a pro tour first, I feel that it will come along with a rush of great young players coming out of our colleges. 99% of collegiate sports athletes move on to jobs related to the degrees they went to College to earn. Sure, it would be nice to have something to shoot for, a real pro tour where you can earn a living, and it will come with time, but its more important that they earn a scholarship while playing a sport they love. This is also what will bring it to the high schools, keep kids off the streets and building a skill that could earn them a scholarship to a College.

Even if we are not cranking out hundreds of new pro's a year we are creating a passionate fan base. Corporate sponsors want their products and services seen by the masses, not a few hundred people watching a grainy stream at 1am. If you build a solid amateur base though a collegiate sports program you will create more quality professionals and a larger educated fan base that corporate sponsors will want to reach.
 
Echelon said:
As for McDonald's I would ask the same question you asked other posters, what does McDonald's get out of it? I can see this in the future, but this is hardly the starting point.

I agree with Jay, I have always felt we need to get the movement started in the schools, high school and College. Jay, i don't agree that we need a pro tour first, I feel that it will come along with a rush of great young players coming out of our colleges. 99% of collegiate sports athletes move on to jobs related to the degrees they went to College to earn. Sure, it would be nice to have something to shoot for, a real pro tour where you can earn a living, and it will come with time, but its more important that they earn a scholarship while playing a sport they love. This is also what will bring it to the high schools, keep kids off the streets and building a skill that could earn them a scholarship to a College.

Even if we are not cranking out hundreds of new pro's a year we are creating a passionate fan base. Corporate sponsors want their products and services seen by the masses, not a few hundred people watching a grainy stream at 1am. If you build a solid amateur base though a collegiate sports program you will create more quality professionals and a larger educated fan base that corporate sponsors will want to reach.
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If they'd have kept the tables at OU's student union i would have never left. I'd still be on the Belushi-degree plan. :)
 
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If they'd have kept the tables at OU's student union i would have never left. I'd still be on the Belushi-degree plan. :)
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Hahaha, yeah I play at our local College and I'm well past "College age". The kids working the rec center recognize players over bangers and are always quick to give you a table at little to no cost. Its a nice quiet place to play most of the time and its all 9 foot tables. When I was in the USAF we had a table in our dorms that was always available as well, i just had my own set of balls to use.

There is a guy in CA that has a few high schools on board and a program in place, right now the kids play over their lunch hour. We all know about Lindenwood in the STL area where Mark is at. We need Colleges begging for players and that can happen as it grows, all it takes is a few Colleges to get it going so they have competition.
 
Matchroom/Barry Hearn has already tried and failed to have a greater involvement in Pool.
Matchroom are in business to make profits....They struggle making a good return from Pool.
 
Matchroom is in the gaming gambling business.

We don’t need them. Or Mr. Hearn. We need better. Here on home soil.

We have the gaming and betting platforms already in place. We just need the focus and the details shored up and placed in the cart that the online gaming horse should be pulling.


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K2Kraze said:
Matchroom is in the gaming gambling business.

We don’t need them. Or Mr. Hearn. We need better. Here on home soil.

We have the gaming and betting platforms already in place. We just need the focus and the details shored up and placed in the cart that the online gaming horse should be pulling.


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ANY "PRO" tour will require international players(most of them actually) and probably promoters/admin. A strictly US operation will never succeed. A "true professional"(to quote the table fixer) pool tour isn't happening anytime soon. If ever.
 
On Point!

realkingcobra said:
To straighten the sport of pool out, it don't involve McDonald's until AFTER it's been straightened out, is organized, Pro players are identified internationally on a TOP 16 player list first. Playing under one set of Pro rules, that enhance the sport, not hold it back or cripple it so that players that have no business representing this sport have a chance to play because they feel they're entitled to. And to tell you the truth, all it takes to represent this sport is the top 16 players all getting paid to start the beginning of change, and for the first time in the history of this game, represent it as true PROFESSIONALS, and this sport will continue to grow internationally as one body of Professuonal players! Then when someone comes on AZB and asks how long it takes to become a Pro, they'll be able to see what skills are needed.
And one thing is for certain, you do NOT make the Pros play against all the amateurs in the world just so they can squeeze out something that looks like a living just so the amateurs can get their rocks off being able to play against them for their cheap entertainment.
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RKC, you are on point with the context of what is needed. I have had lengthy discussions, numerous times, with a member of the AZB Community in regards to the lack of structure and rules of ethics, for the foundation of Professional Pool here in the U.S.
To the query on Sponsorship, it is not the base line for building the idea. Supporters must "want" to be a part of something, especially when it sees an ROI. Before they risk one single greenback, they must first deal with an organization which is legitimate and is run by ethical people.
I like the way you are thinking. Please continue.
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garczar said:
ANY "PRO" tour will require international players(most of them actually) and probably promoters/admin. A strictly US operation will never succeed. A "true professional"(to quote the table fixer) pool tour isn't happening anytime soon. If ever.
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You keep saying that cobra's ideas won't work, but you haven't really made an argument against those, other than your opinion that they won't work....and that's ok, but it's just an opinion not necessarily the truth about it.

I'd like to hear why his ideas won't work.

For example, the McDs idea has been said to not work, yet NO ONE HERE addressed how cobra says McDs would do it: via meal sales where a ticket to attend the event is given with that meal purchase. McDs earn a profit on the meal and the free showing is how they did it. They didn't first put out millions and then hope that a bunch of clown pool players would go out and buy a happy meal. He even has an owner of many McDs on board when the time comes!!!!!! How is that "not working"?

Anyway, that's how I'm reading this thread.



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garczar said:
ANY "PRO" tour will require international players(most of them actually) and probably promoters/admin. A strictly US operation will never succeed. A "true professional"(to quote the table fixer) pool tour isn't happening anytime soon. If ever.
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Agreed.

However - I didn’t say a strictly US operation.

US based, yes. We are talking about the pool scene in the US. And IF we had the ability and FOCUS of online gambling and viewership for all major tournaments based here with the pool purse equivalent to what the World Snooker stage has set, it would attract international pros and future superstars just like WS has.

Again - I’m focusing and relying to the HOW part of Glen’s OP.




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RADAR said:
HONDA & TOYOTA!:thumbup:
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IF a professional pool organization would be able to attach branding with any of the top echelon automakers, it would be superb.
It wouldn't influence me per se, but I did just happen to buy a 2018 Corolla LE in November. Loyalty is a huge thing for me...also as a pool player.
To attract branding from other products we are likely to use as consumers, is an aspect of marketing development. When I was at the BCA we instituted a project with affinity credit cards(Visa & MC) for members. I also did research back then, for branding requirements using the NFL Players Association approval for clothing lines, plus other items deemed "fan worthy". There are many layers to this onion.
 
Fine, it's become pretty clear to me that I'm going to have to spell it out for all you sarcastic know-it-all pessimist!

1) The sponsor is the public!! But in order to gain public support, you have to present them with something they want to pay to see! And that's NOT a bunch of idoits that think they can play pool!!! Joe public is the sponsor that pays McDonald's their money by supporting them at the cash register buying what they have to sell! Joe public is the sponsor that buys new cars that keep the auto industry in business by buying their cars!!! Joe public is the sponsor who pulls bacm their support from a business if they feel their sponsorship money is being taken advantage of, thereby ending that business future!!! Joe public is the sponsor of the movie and music industry, without their sponsorship dollars, the industry collapses. Movie box office hits, and failings are decided by JOE PUBLIC SPONSORSHIP DOLLARS, not the movie industry production companies!!!

2) If you want sponsorship from JOE PUBLIC, you MUST present them with something they're willing to pay for FIRST, and you better make it not just good, it has to be GREAT and it has to be something they've never seen before so that they WILL pay in their SPONSORSHIP dollars!!!!

3) Now comes the question of what to present to the Joe Public sponsor's throughout the world that would make them want to put up their sponsorship dollars!!!!

4) You do that by putting on a show that they are WILLING to sponsor, and if they really LIKE the show, they'll sponsor it with MILLIONS of dollars!!!!

5) What kind of SHOW, that's the million dollar question!!!! And that's where it's pretty clear that none of you have any ideas, because it seem like ALL of you are to hung up on creating tour stops in this country so that all the leachs in this sport can continue to suck it dry because you feel....entitled, because "WE'RE THE POOL PLAYERS THAT MAKE THIS SPOT WORK"..........WRONG!!!

6) How many shows a year does it take to grab Joe Public's sponsorship? In my game plan, 4 major shows a year, one every 3 months. How many actor's is the show going to require? 16 of the best pool players on the planet at the moment. How are these actor's going to be picked? By offering a line in the show to the world over a 6 month period by way of skill level testing, at the end of the 6 month application period, the highest scoring 16 players are picked, along with 2 alternate, stand by players for back up. What is the show that is going to be represented in this sport to Noe Public in the hopes of gaining their support? 10 ball, Professional rules as I've already outlined in the past.

7) Ok, now we know who the sponsor is, we know who the performer's are, we know what play they're in, the 10 ball championship of the world! Now, how do you present the show to Joe public??????

8) It is an absolute MUST that Joe public has the ability to watch the show, after all, there's 16 international WORLD class players in this show, and Joe public WANTS to be able to WATCH their favorite player compete!!! Problem is, with 16 players all matched up at the same time, that requires 8 movie screens so to speak. Today, unlike when i was growing up, there was only 1 movie theater, and it was only playing 1 movie, so if you didn't like what was playing, you didn't go. Today, when a movie theater has 30 big screens, playing 30 different movies, all at the same time, now if you can't find something to pay to watch, you didn't want to go in the first place. Well, that's the same thing in this production of the world's best players, 16 players, all playing at the same time, on 8 different screens!!!! That's called Joe Public viewers choice, for $4.95 a day!!!

9) Next comes where is this live stage at today? Doesn't even exist? How in the world are we suppose to put on world class events for Joe Public if we don't even have a stage to perform them on????? That right there people is just ONE of the major problems that has been holding this sport back from achieving financial success!!!! NO you can't use casinos, no you can't use pool halls, no you can't use convention centers, NO to everything that has already been tried, BECAUSE everything already tried has ONE purpose, and one purpose only, and that's circled around product sales in this industry!!! Face it people, when a pool tournament is held in a casino, they pay the casino rent for that space, the tournament is promoted to bring in the customers, the Pro's that show up to make a little bit of money are used as a draw to endorse the products being sold, then when the event is over....everything goes back to normal, and there's no longer a sign that a pool table was even there.
 
10) The live stage to which this world class performance and show is going to take place from is not selling pool tables, pool cues, chalk, tip tappers, jump cues....or anything else for that matter! This place, this location....has one purpose, and one purpose only, and it's NOT to have 8 pool table's rolled in and rolled out after every show!!! It's purpose is to set the stage for live performances to Joe public as to entertain them, in the hopes of gaining their support, BUT in order to do that, Joe public is going to REQUIRE watching all 8 tables at the same time, as to give Joe public a choice of which show they want to watch....in order to keep them entertained, it must START and CONCLUDE during the course of a weekend as that's their entertainment and attention span time frame!!!
And Joe Public WANTS to be able to see clearly the show they're being expected to pay for!!! Which means they REQUIRE more than 1 camera view as to NOT miss a thing in the show they paid to watch!!! AND, Joe public WANTS the option to flip from one show to another and back and forth!!! We today, DON'T have the Grand Ole Opry, Madison Square Gardens, The Wimbledon, the Brickyard 500, the place in which the world can view our PROFESSIONAL POOL PLAYERS FROM that is a significant location to OUR sport!!! THAT is another problem!!! Because the stage for live viewing has to be set up for permanent Broadcasting and continually updated as to broadcast the best shows possible to Joe Public!!!
 
what if all 8 tables are relevant to an outcome in 20 minutes or less?

I don't like that word "hope" in the # 10 part.

..oh! you did mention theaters, Always thought they are a good place for a show, just need the betting window.
 
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I could go on with the rest of my plans and explaination of how to fix this sport, but somehow i get the feeling that I'd be wasting my breath. Ford, Budwiser, Honda....folks, they're ALL advertisers, NOT sponsor's! Before you'll ever see a dollar from ANY advertiser's you'll first have to answer one important question for them, and that is....how....many....viewers....do you market to? THEN, you'll need to look for international advertiser's as you'll have to build up an international audience made up of Joe Public international long before you can sell advertising, but....don't blink to fast, as Joe Public if you catch their attention....is willing to pay milliins of dollars to see the show, provided it's worth watching.....so, there's a lot more to my plans than what I've already let out of the bag!!! Remember, we haven't even gotten to the good part yet.....who's putting up the money to tie all this together and make it happen!!!
 
RKC, my apologies for missing it in the past.
Could you please reiterate what are your 'Professional Rules' for 10ball
Thanks
 
Dan_B said:
what if all 8 tables are relevant to an outcome in 20 minutes or less?

I don't like that word "hope" in the # 10 part.

..oh! you did mention theaters, Always thought they are a good place for a show, just need the betting window.
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Don't all movie producers "hope" the public supports their new movie release?
 
realkingcobra said:
10) The live stage to which this world class performance and show is going to take place from is not selling pool tables, pool cues, chalk, tip tappers, jump cues....or anything else for that matter! This place, this location....has one purpose, and one purpose only, and it's NOT to have 8 pool table's rolled in and rolled out after every show!!! It's purpose is to set the stage for live performances to Joe public as to entertain them, in the hopes of gaining their support, BUT in order to do that, Joe public is going to REQUIRE watching all 8 tables at the same time, as to give Joe public a choice of which show they want to watch....in order to keep them entertained, it must START and CONCLUDE during the course of a weekend as that's their entertainment and attention span time frame!!!
And Joe Public WANTS to be able to see clearly the show they're being expected to pay for!!! Which means they REQUIRE more than 1 camera view as to NOT miss a thing in the show they paid to watch!!! AND, Joe public WANTS the option to flip from one show to another and back and forth!!! We today, DON'T have the Grand Ole Opry, Madison Square Gardens, The Wimbledon, the Brickyard 500, the place in which the world can view our PROFESSIONAL POOL PLAYERS FROM that is a significant location to OUR sport!!! THAT is another problem!!! Because the stage for live viewing has to be set up for permanent Broadcasting and continually updated as to broadcast the best shows possible to Joe Public!!!
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Could you possibly be thinking of............... The Bonus Ball Arena.:rotflmao1:
 
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