conceding the last ball.

An example is an example. I think the first sentence stands on its own. A single example must not be taken to be the entire universe of possibilities. On the other hand, it is dangerous for rules writers to include examples because some will take the examples to be the universe.

That specific example was included because some cheats will try to shark their opponent by starting to put their equipment away while their opponent seems likely to run out.
Does it apply to conceding the last ball in an early game (without breaking down your cue)?

pj
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Does it apply to conceding the last ball in an early game (without breaking down your cue)?

pj
chgo
Now I see the problem. It should be, if a player concedes the match, he loses the match. This may be obvious, but the rules have to state whether a concession is, in fact, the end of a match. I suppose the same has to be be said about a single rack in short-rack games. (Except some tournaments add the "next rack as well" rule.)
 
That's a poorly worded rule. At first it sounds like loss of match no matter where the match stands - but then the only example given is of conceding the case game in the match. Which is it?

pj
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There would be no reason for the opponent to start unscrewing their cue unless they were conceding the match. The example of the WPA rule given makes it clear the concession of the match is when the player at the table shooting is on the hill.

I don't see how this is at all related to the right an opponent has to concede the current game to their opponent who is at the table shooting an easy 9-ball shot, or a super easy 2 or 3 ball runout?
 
There would be no reason for the opponent to start unscrewing their cue unless they were conceding the match. ...
The wording was actually changed for a case in which they might unscrew a cue. If a player has just broken in the hill-hill game, it's OK for him to unscrew his break cue when he gets back to his seat after a dry break.
 
There would be no reason for the opponent to start unscrewing their cue unless they were conceding the match. The example of the WPA rule given makes it clear the concession of the match is when the player at the table shooting is on the hill.



I don't see how this is at all related to the right an opponent has to concede the current game to their opponent who is at the table shooting an easy 9-ball shot, or a super easy 2 or 3 ball runout?


I mostly agree regarding unscrewing of the cue while your opponent is at the table. But there are still oddball exceptions, e.g. Alex Pagalayan’s shaft catching fire from the arena lights at the World Pool Masters. While your opponent isn’t shooting should always be fine, e.g. Ralph Eckert shooting with a three piece unilock cue that transforms between break, playing and jump cue.

I believe the WPA rules mean you are not allowed to concede a game without also automatically conceding the match. I assume those particular rules were meant to require players to execute the game ball, be more appropriate for TV, and eliminate that particular psychological element to the result. The kinds of rules you’d expect IF pool earned Olympic recognition.


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The wording was actually changed for a case in which they might unscrew a cue. If a player has just broken in the hill-hill game, it's OK for him to unscrew his break cue when he gets back to his seat after a dry break.


Great example but I’d assume there’s a timing element there. It better be immediately after and not moments later in line of sight while the opponent is trying to line up their shot.


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Great example but I’d assume there’s a timing element there. It better be immediately after and not moments later in line of sight while the opponent is trying to line up their shot. ...
In the old days the move was to light your cigar with a match the size of a small torch and strike it just as your opponent was pulling the trigger. Strangely, there was never a specific rule regarding the lighting of cigars:groucho:.
 
In the old days the move was to light your cigar with a match the size of a small torch and strike it just as your opponent was pulling the trigger. Strangely, there was never a specific rule regarding the lighting of cigars:groucho:.


Few people can drop gems like that. Usually I have to wait for my hometown favorite storyteller Larry Carr to comment on one of Mary Kenniston’s pictures to get a jewel like that. Well played.


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I was at the pool room a while back hitting some balls on the
9 ft. and the leagues were playing on the bar tables right behind me.
This guy scratches on the 9 and the opponents team mates start hollering
and high fiveing each other. The who scratched spots the 9 . When the
opponent sees this he says you WANT me to shoot it ? So he starts to
make a big show, walking around looking at it from all angles, getting
down and back up, chalking his cue 10 times while his team mates whooped
and hollered. He gets down for the tenth time looking at his team
grinning like a opossum eating s--- ,and fouls the cue ball . The other guy
says you want me to shoot it. It was great. I always concede the last
ball if easy because the way I figure it , the guy has been in his chair so long
waiting his turn , he's cold and I don't want to give him any chance to
get in stroke,. RIGHT DEANCO ?
jack

When you're in a money race and the opponent is giving you out balls you yourself think you could miss it's time to quit. You have the worst of it. And no he's not doing it out of respect.

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Few people can drop gems like that. Usually I have to wait for my hometown favorite storyteller Larry Carr to comment on one of Mary Kenniston’s pictures to get a jewel like that. Well played. ...
Actually, it was a repurposed.... well, OK, stolen .... gem. Here is the original from Robert Byrne's "McGoorty" when Danny McGoorty is talking about Alfredo de Oro. (De Oro would be in the list of greatest all-arounds presently being discussed, but he is only alive in our hearts. He won multiple world championships in both pool and three cushion. Sadly there was no formal competition in cigar lighting at that time.)

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Just back from IL ACS state tourney. Guy on the other team miscues shooting the 8 into the side. 30 degree cut shot, about a diamond away from the side pocket, and the cue ball about a diamond away from the ob.

So, now my teammate makes his last ball and runs into the same spot with the cb, but closer, so he's about 1/4 diamond away, and you can tell he's worried about scratching in the corner even though it was NOT a scratch shot. So, he's trying to hit it low and ensure he gets some draw, and he miscues as well. WTF?

Two guys miscue in the same game on the same ball at the same pocket. All stroke related on these two guys. You could tell they changed all their mechanics because they suddenly thought to much about the shot and were both trying to "baby" it to ensure they made it.


The other team guy sinks the 8 and wins it. Never seen that before, ever.
 
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