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Sorry, been a super long day.
Yes, the ballast benefit changes. To me, it is a worthy tradeoff.
Full Time Extension Fad....
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Reading comprehension = me not or is it not me?
Sorry, been a super long day.
Yes, the ballast benefit changes. To me, it is a worthy tradeoff.
I know this isn't "post related".
Mike, I lost your number with my old phone. I would like a o schedule a couple tip replacements.
Can you pm me it or email it to me billiardpete@gmail.com?
Thank you sir.
Pete
Mike, I lost your number with my old phone. I would like a o schedule a couple tip replacements.
Can you pm me it or email it to me billiardpete@gmail.com?
Thank you sir.
Pete
This is one of the most ill conceived and ill informed opinions i have read in awhile. All of your reasons are based upon what you perceive may go wrong based upon assumptions of things that are probably not true.
You assume that standard length cue, standard only by convention, is the proper length for everyone, regardless of stature.
You assume that every cue, balanced as is, is perfectly balanced because that is how the cue maker intended it to be balanced.
You assume that all extensions, without knowing any actual specifics of build and location, will negatively alter the Balance of any cue.
You assume that rail shots, masse, and obstructed shots are automatically harder using false logic based upon your own opinion, not actual proof.
You assume that having a cue that is a more comfortable length will not improve the performance of a shooter on any shot, also without any actual knowledge of such.
I have been playing with a four inch mid extension for two years now, and will never go back to a"standard" length cue ever again. From the very first shot I took with it, it felt natural. There is no shot that is harder due to the extension, in fact all play in general is easier because the length suits me much better than a "standard"length cue. I shoot off the rail and over balls with ease. I also masse and shoot half ball jumps with ease as well.
It is intelligent to question convention in order to understand if that convention truly is the ideal for you. It is "really, really stupid" to blindly assume that what someone else told you was the ideal is in fact that. It is also "really, really stupid" to condemn things that you do not actually know anything about using your own assumed "facts".
I see that you do have experience with extensions and still use one sided logic in your argument. Extensions are not for you, we get it. FWIW, even though top snooker players do not use them, you can watch three of the best pocket Billiards players ever using them full time.I don't care what any top player plays with, i only care about my actual results, and the jury is in on that.
I dont' assume anything at all. I observe and judge for myself. Tons of people jump on any bandwagon they can, still others profit on the trend by selling accessories. Over night, several good players in my poolhall changed to extended cues. Now almost every one of them changed back, at least the best ones. There are two very good players that are very tall. They ordered longer cues and sold their old extended ones.
It's great that you feel like your game has improved. Have you put it to the test, though? I mean measured by doing Billiard University tests, straight pool high runs etc. etc? Because I've heard a million times over how someone thinks a new cue has improved their game, but when push comes to shove, nothing has changed besides that players beliefs. I stand by my words, I think this is a fad. I also believe it will go away, at least in it's current form. I also believe a new one will take it's place. What will it be, I wonder? Remember "Limbsaver"? For a short while everyone wanted this bumper on their cues, which would magically improve the hit. What a load of .....
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Lots of interesting comments in this thread. I am only 5’8” and play exclusively on 9 footers - mostly straight pool, but all games as well.
There are many shots that if I do not get the position I need, that are out of reach for me. I used to put on a long extension to avoid the bridge, but my stroke was a bit wonky most of the time.
A few months ago I purchased a Mezz cue and the 4” extender, and I play with it on all the time. The extender adds less that 2 oz to the 19 oz cue.
I love it. Feels great on regular shots and now when I cannot reach a shot I use the bridge. That simple. Not stretching a wonky stroke that I can not control.
To each their own for sure, but this setup has absolutely improved my game.
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There are many shots that if I do not get the position I need, that are out of reach for me. I used to put on a long extension to avoid the bridge, but my stroke was a bit wonky most of the time.
A few months ago I purchased a Mezz cue and the 4” extender, and I play with it on all the time. The extender adds less that 2 oz to the 19 oz cue.
I love it. Feels great on regular shots and now when I cannot reach a shot I use the bridge. That simple. Not stretching a wonky stroke that I can not control.
To each their own for sure, but this setup has absolutely improved my game.
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I really respect your response here. You could have become defensive and butt hurt, but instead you rationally replied to the "charges". Very nice job. I wish there was more of this on AZB.
KMRUNOUT
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^^^ What did he say?
I agree, his response was very mature.
Having said that, my game has been improved by what some call gadgets. One is a C.F. shaft and the other is an extension.
And yes, I did put it to the test.
Pre-gadget:
10 Ball ghost race ........7 - 3 was best I ever did after many, many attempts.
Post-gadget:
I've been averaging 7 - 2. I've put up several 7 - 0 ghost races in last month.
Some gadgets work.
Rake
You did assume and present all of those things as generally excepted truths by your wording, when they may only be true in so much as you have experienced them. I understand how your opinions were formed and I am not questioning the validity of them as they apply to your own unique experiences. Your experiences will inform you as you want them to, so your opinion will always be biased, as will anyone else's including my own. I'm not arguing with you, your mind is made up. I am just trying to provide a positive experience based upon the same real world experience that your negative opinion is based upon.
I am not a band wagon jumper in the least, however, I certainly have seen many players resort to such behavior. I have been playing with this same cue for twenty years now. I have tried LD shafts only to say that I have tried them. I am still using the original solid maple shaft it shipped with and will continue to do so until I or it is no more. My game has certainly improved without a doubt since using the extension. I am not a placebo type person, trial and error based upon actual results lead me to understand if something is better for me or not. I would not hesitate to ditch anything, in a heartbeat, if it did not provide actual proven results.
I am not even close to saying that extensions are for everyone. Some people need longer cues than others. I understand the concept of buying a longer cue in general, because it will be balanced properly. A standard cue can be lengthened with an extension with out altering the balance point. A standard cue is much easier to sell than a longer cue. I am not a buyer or seller of cues, but a lot of people on here are. For most who would benefit from a longer cue, an added extension of some sort is definitely the best option in the long run, especially if you do decide that you do not need the additional length after all.
FWIW my cue without the extension is 58.5" with a balance point of 20" from the butt end leaving 34.1% of the butt of the cue behind the balance point. With the 4 inch extension it is 62.5" with a balance point of 21.5" leaving 34.4% of the length behind the balance point. That is almost identical. That is just some real world data for anyone who is contemplating using and extension.
And I have no clue what a "limbsaver" is.
Sure the ratios are the same but at the cost of bringing up the overall weight. I was talking to a Top 20 pro two weeks ago and he said he loved the extra length of his extension but even after many months of practice was still suffering from touch issues when needing pin point shape. He also mentioned that it was particularly a problem when jacked up or on the rail.
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I've talked to several pros at tournaments about cue lengths and cue extensions.
Not just some or most but all, every single one of them said the exact same thing:
There is no one-size-fits-all cue. Period. Find what works for "you" and use it.
The Magician, Danny O, Alex, Busti, Shane....just to name a few, and that is a strong few, are among the players that said that.
BTW, I have no issue shooting over a ball or off a rail with extensions. Some do, and that is why they are not able to take advantage of an extension.
Some people just can't adjust to things like others can. Then again, some don't need to.
Rake
I'm not judging. It's not for me but again if it helps others then great. I grew up playing snooker and quite frankly I play really well with a rake. When I travel to the US it amazes me how many really accomplished players will do almost anything to avoid the thing and then others are very natural with it.
I've tried other peoples center extension and don't like the additional flex it adds to a cue. The back extension doesn't do this but adds a lot of weight.
If I thought I needed it I would only go with an integrated type extension like DeRoo makes. Designed into the cue and is out of my way. When I need it...bamm like a magic trick.
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I too play well with the rake from what I remember. Lol, I've not used the rake more than a couple times in last 2 years and I play on a 10' table often.....control....
I didn't think you were judging. Some do. What kills me is the very players that don't have the talent to use one will put others down for using one. It's just funny to me.
In general, extensions, the revo shaft etc....does not change my game all that much. But, when I'm playing another player at my level that small difference is huge.
If I'm playing an apa or BCA 7 or 8 well, not so much. I'm gonna eat their lunch either way. But like I said above when matched up with players that often run 3 to 5 racks at table in a race to 7......lol......well, ANY difference matters.
Rake
I've experienced none of those things. It was a very easy adjustment period. The touch felt the same and speed control was not an issue, not at all. In fact not much, in terms of playability, was different. Their was a slight lengthening of the pivot point, but only slight. For me it is not the extra reach of the cue. It just feels so much more comfortable than it does playing with a 58" cue, it fits my build better. I do not use a long bridge, maybe 6 - 8 inches at most. I was always playing with my hand gripping the end of the butt. I can now address most shot with my forearm at 90 degrees without having to grip the bumper of the cue. I still practice sometimes without the extension just to keep myself on my toes, but always prefer to play with it. It is not for everyone and no one should do it just because someone else does it. Just don't dismiss it until you have tried it. You really have to question who came up with the "tried and true" 58" anyways. That might be perfect for some but not for others. YMMV.