SVB vs Corey D racking issue

The triangle rack should be retired and put to rest. A template gives everyone the same rack the way it should be. How well someone manipulates a rack should not be a part of winning or loosing. People are always going to look for an advantage in all competitions as it is human nature. A template eliminates this and is the reason people still hang on to the old out dated way.
 
alphadog said:
Corey and SVB played a match last night. Streamer said they had hashed out longstanding problems. They were civil.
Corey broke dry on the hill (rack your own) SVB ran out and broke and ran for the W.
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Just matching up, not a tournament? The match the other day in which SVB conceded early, I believe was a loser's bracket match, so this could not have been same tournament. Are they playing in another tournament somewhere else?
 
ChrisinNC said:
Just matching up, not a tournament? The match the other day in which SVB conceded early, I believe was a loser's bracket match, so this could not have been same tournament. Are they playing in another tournament somewhere else?
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The losers side match was in the 9 ball. They match last night was a winners side in the 8 ball.

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keith.shaner.75 said:
The losers side match was in the 9 ball. They match last night was a winners side in the 8 ball.

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Thanks for the clarification - I didn't realize there was more than one event going on at this location. Do you know who ended up winning the 9-ball event? Thanks
 
Bob Jewett said:
I think the BCAPL rules may have a requirement that if you are going to break softly you have to alert your opponent. That's a good rule in a situation like this. Have a third party come over and count the balls.
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The CSI/BCAPL/USAPL does have a rule about warning your opponent for a soft break so someone can be called to watch, but it is only the eight ball section of the rules. I guess they couldn't imagine that anyone would have trouble getting four balls to a cushion at 9 or 10 ball.
 
I think Corey is getting a little undeserved steam in this thread.
He has brought cleverness and out of the (bar) box thinking to pool...
...like Efren brought to one pocket.

Corey said to a complainer once....”I don’t make the rules, I just play by them.”
 
I've seen Shane keep his cool in situations much more tense than this. I don't blame him in the least given the format.

I like both players but from what I saw, corey fitted with the rack more than Shane did.

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Some players are gonna beach about it whether a ref, the TD, their opponent, a bystander or even if Jesus Christ racks.
The only way to stop the beachin', the re-racking, & all the wasted time is to have ONE universal rack that will hold 15 balls and ONE universal rack that holds 9 balls.
Then flip, lag, draw straws, or whatever to see who racks & breaks 1st.
You get 10 or 15 seconds to put the balls inside of the rack with head ball on the spot. Draw a damn sharpie around the rack & fit it in that line if you have to.
ALTERNATE breaks if more than 1 game.

If you want a gap in all the balls, well, rack 'em that way. If you want a tight rack, well, rack 'em that way. If you want the back row loose, well, rack 'em that way. You're the one gonna break, so rack 'em like you want then your opponent gonna rack 'em how he wants.

Otherwise, the same beachin' chit is gonna happen from now on!
 
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fasted71465 said:
The triangle rack should be retired and put to rest. A template gives everyone the same rack the way it should be. How well someone manipulates a rack should not be a part of winning or loosing. People are always going to look for an advantage in all competitions as it is human nature. A template eliminates this and is the reason people still hang on to the old out dated way.
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Template racks are too predictive and can also be rigged just like a triangle rack.
 
I agree completely with FastEd. I notice that a lot of Asian and European tournaments now use templates, for exactly the reasons FastEd states. It is time that the dinosaurs accept that technology has improved in pool, even in racks!
 
pt109 said:
I think Corey is getting a little undeserved steam in this thread.
He has brought cleverness and out of the (bar) box thinking to pool...
...like Efren brought to one pocket.

Corey said to a complainer once....”I don’t make the rules, I just play by them.”
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He should have said "I don't make the rules, or break them, but I do anything I can to win even if it is morally wrong."

I don't think legality determines morality, just because Corey isn't breaking the rules doesn't give him a pass in my eyes.

Getting up when someone is about to break is just a sharking technique, not calling a soft break, because that game doesn't require it, denying fouling when called on it, multiple times in one match, maybe not against the rules, still don't make it right in my eyes.

When barry bonds was taking the designer steriod tetrahydrogestrinone or when Mcquire was taking androstenedione the agrument could be made they were not breaking any rules for their sport, as the substances weren't technically bannned in MLB, still wrong though. Like androstenedione was already banned by WADA and the IOC.

I guess as they say, if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying.
 
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I’m not sure there are many regional amateur or low tier ProAm events out there on 30+ Valley tables that want to buy 30+ racking templates for the event.


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eihi said:
Getting up when someone is about to break is just a sharking technique, not calling a soft break, because that game doesn't require it, denying fouling when called on it, multiple times in one match, maybe not against the rules, still don't make it right in my eyes.
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I watched this live and I watched a few replays. I still have not seen where Corey was doing anything as Shane "was about to break" except walking back to his chair. He's at the table looking at the rack about the same time Shane is getting to the head of the table.

I don't recall anybody calling any fouls on Corey all weekend, so I'm assuming you are referencing something that happened in the past?
 
Jerry R said:
I watched this live and I watched a few replays. I still have not seen where Corey was doing anything as Shane "was about to break" except walking back to his chair. He's at the table looking at the rack about the same time Shane is getting to the head of the table.

I don't recall anybody calling any fouls on Corey all weekend, so I'm assuming you are referencing something that happened in the past?
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Uh yea, posted a video in this very thread

Thread is short, shouldn't be hard for you to find, I would think if you are going to ask me something, you had read through the thread first to get some perspective. A few people also quoted my post, so you didn't read their comments either.
 
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eihi said:
Uh yea, posted a video in this very thread

Thread is short, shouldn't be hard for you to find, I would think if you are going to ask me something, you had read through the thread first to get some perspective. A few people also quoted my post, so you didn't read their comments either.
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uh yea, still wondering what is is Corey did while Shane was "about to break" since that is what this thread is about.
 
I said "about to break" not in the process of breaking, you already answered your own question.

And how exactly do you know what the thread is about if you don't bother to read the comments in the thread? Because if you had you wouldn't be asking which video I was referencing, and since mulitple people quoted my post you obviously didn't read their comments either!
 
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Jerry R said:
uh yea, still wondering what is is Corey did while Shane was "about to break" since that is what this thread is about.
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I’m sure SVB doesn’t feel he did anything wrong at DCC. So emotionally to him, someone checking his racks must feel like an accusation. I’m sure he didn’t love reading Billiards Digest articles insinuating his motives were less than level. Then layer in this is a mindless event for a top pro, i.e. small regional ProAm on 7’ Valley tables. This might as well have been an exhibition for them. So to have Corey check his rack there must have stung a little more than he was prepared to cope with. Kind of like, “Really? You too? Here?!?!?”

I don’t fault Corey for looking. You have that right as an opponent. He didn’t have to mean anything by it. It could have been simple curiosity. He shouldn’t have to worry about SVBs reaction. It’s similar to how professionals rarely call for a spotter between each other. One might get offended if another did, but too bad. Let it happen and move on.


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eihi said:
I said "about to break" not in the process of breaking, you already answered your own question.
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OK, so if a player wants to inspect another players rack when is he supposed to do it?
There are racking rules and if there is not a ref present, it falls on the responsibility of the player to verify there are no rules being broken correct?
From what I saw, Corey stood back, let Shane rack the balls and as soon as Shane lifted the rack and started to walk to the head of the table Corey approached the table, looked at the balls, then turned and went back to his seat. According to the guy doing the stream, Corey didn't say anything to Shane. So where is this Sharking you speak of?
 
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