Inside English vs Outside English

inside or outside english is not required..

the best players in the game dont even use inside or outside they just spin the que shaft towards the pocket or away from the pocket to get the spin they need.. also center ball for best results if going left side and spinning right the ball will take a very strong and accurate path.. and vise versa right side away... try it.. youlll eventually get better
 
xxxmadfish said:
the best players in the game dont even use inside or outside they just spin the que shaft towards the pocket or away from the pocket to get the spin they need.. also center ball for best results if going left side and spinning right the ball will take a very strong and accurate path.. and vise versa right side away... try it.. youlll eventually get better
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I disagree. Good/pro players never spin / twist the cue at any point during the stroke.
 
Early in my development, a player advised me to shoot only with right hand english for a month. Then the next month he had me shoot only with left spin. It forces you to become comfortable with inside english and to learn multiple ways to play position on the next shot. It was the "wax on, wax off" method of teaching.
 
swoopin...

im a personal friend of keith mcready.. i think ive seen some of the best shooters in the world play with high and low and left n right english`s.. the twist combined with them done correctly can be and is the strongest weapon in the pool players arsenal..
 
xxxmadfish said:
im a personal friend of keith mcready.. i think ive seen some of the best shooters in the world play with high and low and left n right english`s.. the twist combined with them done correctly can be and is the strongest weapon in the pool players arsenal..
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What’s the twist?

pj
chgo
 
Yeah, if you combine the high or low with side, you can really twist ol' Whitey. Imagine playing with flat front Mace, bumping Whitey around, as opposed to TWISTING Whitey with some chalk & a leather tip.
Yahoo....
 
bare in mind..

the twist shoots balls straight as the trajectory of the que ball hits a rail the twist can kill the que on the rail or modify it to run towards another rail.. using right or left along with these effects will lesson or strengthen these directions.. as well as top or bottom.. most can see this with the spotted que ball.. this technique adds english without having to use top or bottom. .. if done well.. like sidearm keith mcready.. go earthquake.. its a force to reckon with..
 
english

most people use top, center, bottom, then ..right top, left top, center right, left center, low left, low right, .. if you play left twist with any of these you increase your english to double and or even triple using right twist also.. this means that the usual 9 english`s you grew to know arent that much knowledge when there`s 18 unknown english`s you havent even used yet. :D

3 top + 3 middle + 3 bottom= 9 english

3x3 top + 3x3 middle + 3x3 bottom = 27 english`s
 
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xxxmadfish said:
most people use top, center, bottom, then ..right top, left top, center right, left center, low left, low right, .. if you play left twist with any of these you increase your english to double and or even triple using right twist also.. this means that the usual 9 english`s you grew to know arent that much knowledge when there`s 18 unknown english`s you havent even used yet. :D

3 top + 3 middle + 3 bottom= 9 english

3x3 top + 3x3 middle + 3x3 bottom = 27 english`s
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I don't suppose you'd care to post some video demonstrating this, ah, theory?

Lou Figueroa
 
xxxmadfish said:
most people use top, center, bottom, then ..right top, left top, center right, left center, low left, low right, .. if you play left twist with any of these you increase your english to double and or even triple using right twist also.. this means that the usual 9 english`s you grew to know arent that much knowledge when there`s 18 unknown english`s you havent even used yet. :D

3 top + 3 middle + 3 bottom= 9 english

3x3 top + 3x3 middle + 3x3 bottom = 27 english`s
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If this "twisting" you refer to is advocating something other than the cue staying on an absolutely straight line back and through the stroke, which I can only assume it does, I personally would not recommend this. Most of us players have enough trouble delivering our cue straight through down the target line on our follow through.
 
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xxxmadfish said:
most people use top, center, bottom, then ..right top, left top, center right, left center, low left, low right, .. if you play left twist with any of these you increase your english to double and or even triple using right twist also.. this means that the usual 9 english`s you grew to know arent that much knowledge when there`s 18 unknown english`s you havent even used yet. :D

3 top + 3 middle + 3 bottom= 9 english

3x3 top + 3x3 middle + 3x3 bottom = 27 english`s
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Im glad I didn't stumble upon this post early in my development or I might have spent a few weeks trying to practice the dark art of 27 Englishes.
 
xxxmadfish said:
the best players in the game dont even use inside or outside they just spin the que shaft towards the pocket or away from the pocket to get the spin they need.. also center ball for best results if going left side and spinning right the ball will take a very strong and accurate path.. and vise versa right side away... try it.. youlll eventually get better
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I'm trying to understand this? You are advocating literally spinning the cue with your wrist as you stroke through it, either clockwise or counter clockwise, but still maintaining a straight back and straight through stroke with the cue stick?

It just seems to me that attempting to spin/rotate the cue one way or the other as you are stroking through it just adds another moving body part (turning/twisting of your wrist), making it that much harder to keep the cue absolutely dead on line through the entire stroke.

Keith McCready may have indeed mastered this technique you refer to, but Keith is obviously a very unique player, and his form would be very hard for anyone to copy successfully.
 
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I'm trying to understand this? You are advocating literally spinning the cue with your wrist as you stroke through it, either clockwise or counter clockwise, but still maintaining a straight back and straight through stroke with the cue stick?

It just seems to me that attempting to spin/rotate the cue one way or the other as you are stroking through it just adds another moving body part (turning/twisting of your wrist), making it that much harder to keep the cue absolutely dead on line through the entire stroke.
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Have you and others seen the following online video:

Amazing back-hand stroke swoop and cue twist ball-turn techniques

For those interested in a detailed analysis of these "alternative" strokes (additional videos included), see the stoke swoop/swipe resource page.

Enjoy,
Dave
 
MattPoland said:
Forget the “Got English” shirt. Where do we get those shorts?!?!?

Respectfully, Matt
(I don’t take myself too seriously. I hope you can return the favor.)
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I deserve that 100%. Those were some short shorts (especially by today's standards, 10 years later ... and even by 2008 standards). Maybe that's why the techniques worked so well. :eek:

Regards,
Dave
 
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