Passing it down the line

Many years ago as a kid, Skyler Woodward approached a very well known veteran pro player from his hometown to help him with his game, and was flat out rejected. I've heard many firsthand accounts that since then, that as a result of that memory, Skyler will always go out of his way to spend time helping young players he comes across at pool halls and tournament venues with their games.

I wonder how that veteran pro player feels now about how he treated Skyler, or whether since that time he has worked any with Skyler? Bottom line, as a result of his memory of how he was treated, it obviously made a huge impression on Skyler NOT to repeat the same mistake / attitude that was shown him in regards to helping young players with their game.

That player probably never gave it a second thought, Chris. At least not until the "kid" turned out to be a world-class player. And even then, he probably never even thought twice about it. That's precisely the point I was making about the players *I* asked as a kid. That was the norm for the times... "Figure it out on your own, kid... nobody ever showed ME anything either."
 
Before advice will help a newer player that person has to be willing to take advice and interested enough in the game to devote a lot of time to it. The vast majority of people do not fit that description.

I don't give advice. First of all I'm not a great player and secondly nobody asks. On the few occasions where someone asks me something I'll give them advice.

Finally, a lot of people who "give advice" are idiots who don't know what they are talking about and that's not limited to pool. Their personality compels them go give advice - control freaks.
 
Before advice will help a newer player that person has to be willing to take advice and interested enough in the game to devote a lot of time to it. The vast majority of people do not fit that description.

I don't give advice. First of all I'm not a great player and secondly nobody asks. On the few occasions where someone asks me something I'll give them advice.

Finally, a lot of people who "give advice" are idiots who don't know what they are talking about and that's not limited to pool. Their personality compels them go give advice - control freaks.


Amen and amen.
 
I've shared a lot with a lot of people. I taught our son and some of his friends off and on. I've shared knowledge, I've shared books, articles from Billiards Digest (with permission IN WRITING), tip tips, shaft cleaning tips, etc. I taught the son of a friend because the friend asked me to. I taught a nephew who could have been a VERY good player if he'd stuck with it. I had to learn mostly on my own because my experience was pretty much like yours, secrets. I had few lessons later on, from Ray Martin, Grady Mathews, Jim Rempe, Hal Houle, and a local road player. I've taught stuff about the 9 ball break that friends never would have known if not for me. I started and ran a league with people I worked with. I've learned not to give help or advice unless it's asked for. One Sunday night I was in the local room practicing and I saw a guy and a girl playing a few tables over. EVERY time the guy broke (playing 8 ball) he knocked the cue ball off the table. I went over and told him I could show him how to not do that. He replied: "Yeah, I know how, I just don't want to." I went back to my practice shaking my head as he promptly did it again. I've offered help to others and it's been refused so I don't unless someone asks anymore.

Edit: I also teach Straight Pool to 9 ball players;)
 
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Finally, a lot of people who "give advice" are idiots who don't know what they are talking about and that's not limited to pool. Their personality compels them go give advice - control freaks.

Advice from those that know nothing. My senior community in Florida. I refer to a lot of people as Joe”fkn know it all”Blow. And in the Billiard room.... nobody picks up a brush but I get advice when I brush and vacuum. And for the thanks I got I quit cleaning them.
 
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Advice from those that know nothing. My senior community in Florida. I refer to a lot of people as Joe”fkn know it all”Blow. And in the Billiard room.... nobody picks up a brush but I get advice when I brush and vacuum. And for the thanks I got I quit cleaning them.

This is how I feel about it too. There's a huge number of us that play at my local bar. Enough to start a league. And some people want to. I've been approached about doing it. But I would feel somewhat responsible for the tables, and the upkeep. I'm not going to take the time to care if nobody else wants to either.
 
There are certainly plenty of financial reasons why a proprietor or room owner would and should go out of their way to help young up-and-coming players in their poolroom with their game, and for that matter, anyone in their poolroom who has an interest in improving. The more proficient any player gets at the game, the more likely they'll get hooked on the game, thus the more time and money they'll be spending in the poolroom, as well as likely bringing in their friends and family as potential future customers as well.

Not to mention, for any young talented pool player, there's a good chance the owner/proprietor may be the most logical choice to become the young player's stake horse to back them in matches against road players that pass through, if the proprietor feels he can negotiate a match the young player should win. Let me stress, I would never advocate a proprietor staking one regular playing against another regular, as that could obviously lead to problems.

I'm aware many here may have strong feelings against exposing a younger player to gambling. I would argue that playing matches when there is something on the line is one of the best ways for any player to improve and learn how to perform under pressure. That is a topic for a totally different thread.
 
This is how I feel about it too. There's a huge number of us that play at my local bar. Enough to start a league. And some people want to. I've been approached about doing it. But I would feel somewhat responsible for the tables, and the upkeep. I'm not going to take the time to care if nobody else wants to either.

One more bit. I was capt of our team. We play other senior communities. After organizing & managing these guys what I got out of it in the end. From me to them.... resentment and animosity. Bunch of ungrateful unappreciative crybabies. But again I will help anyone with anything to get started if they are serious. Pool and other. I taught my neighbors and friends kids how to drive a stick shift. Offered to teach them pool if they are interested. As I was growing up people were very generous to me teaching various skills. Using tools. Playing pool. Canoeing. And plenty more.
 
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There are certainly plenty of financial reasons why a proprietor or room owner would and should go out of their way to help young up-and-coming players in their poolroom with their game, and for that matter, anyone in their poolroom who has an interest in improving. The more proficient any player gets at the game, the more likely they'll get hooked on the game, thus the more time and money they'll be spending in the poolroom, as well as likely bringing in their friends and family as potential future customers as well.

Not to mention, for any young talented pool player, there's a good chance the owner/proprietor may be the most logical choice to become the young player's stake horse to back them in matches against road players that pass through, if the proprietor feels he can negotiate a match the young player should win. Let me stress, I would never advocate a proprietor staking one regular playing against another regular, as that could obviously lead to problems.

I'm aware many here may have strong feelings against exposing a younger player to gambling. I would argue that playing matches when there is something on the line is one of the best ways for any player to improve and learn how to perform under pressure. That is a topic for a totally different thread.

The room owner when I started out was constantly on the phone setting up matches and stirring the pot. He also basically taught multiple good players how to play when they started out, one of which went on to become a stone-cold,baby-faced killer who beat pretty much every swingin' d**k in the late 60s, early 70s. He LOVED pool and loved gambling. He pretty much would've rather spent his time staking someone, taking side bets, putting action together, than doing anything else. He loved sharing what he knew about pool and about life. I leaned an awful lot from that old man.
 
One more bit. I was capt of our team. We play other senior communities. After organizing & managing these guys what I got out of it in the end. From me to them.... resentment and animosity. Bunch of ungrateful unappreciative crybabies. But again I will help anyone with anything to get started if they are serious. Pool and other. I taught my neighbors and friends kids how to drive a stick shift. Offered to teach them pool if they are interested. As I was growing up people were very generous to me teaching various skills. Using tools. Playing pool. Canoeing. And plenty more.

There is a subtle difference between being gracious and generous enough to teach someone, and to pay forward ones knowledge, versus having been taken advantage of. Some folks will take until there is no more left to give, and then ask for more anyway. It's at this point that they, as you put it, turn into a bunch of ungrateful crybabies. For this reason, I don't know that I'd be willing to run a league.
 
There is a subtle difference between being gracious and generous enough to teach someone, and to pay forward ones knowledge, versus having been taken advantage of. Some folks will take until there is no more left to give, and then ask for more anyway. It's at this point that they, as you put it, turn into a bunch of ungrateful crybabies. For this reason, I don't know that I'd be willing to run a league.

But please try if your heart is into it. If you think it might work do it. It’ll be fun with the right people.
 
But please try if your heart is into it. If you think it might work do it. It’ll be fun with the right people.

I'm still considering it. But I'm not experiencing those warm fuzzes at the moment. Not at this location. The people make it tough to want to.
 
Michael Andros...What room do you play out of? :thumbup:

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

The room owner when I started out was constantly on the phone setting up matches and stirring the pot. He also basically taught multiple good players how to play when they started out, one of which went on to become a stone-cold,baby-faced killer who beat pretty much every swingin' d**k in the late 60s, early 70s. He LOVED pool and loved gambling. He pretty much would've rather spent his time staking someone, taking side bets, putting action together, than doing anything else. He loved sharing what he knew about pool and about life. I leaned an awful lot from that old man.
 
Been by there a few times, but never stopped in. Guess I'll have to! :thumbup: Crooked Cue and Corner Pocket are the rooms I play out of mostly.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

I used to go in Conner Pocket all the time many years ago. I've been to Crooked Cue but not often. Let me know when you're stopping in Family. I'm there in late pm to early evening almost every day.
 
I used to go in Conner Pocket all the time many years ago. I've been to Crooked Cue but not often. Let me know when you're stopping in Family. I'm there in late pm to early evening almost every day.

Does Bubba still give up action in that area?
 
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