Huge Action Alex Pagulayan vs Justin Hall LIVE July 31 who do you guys like ?

I doubt there will be an adjustment. Everyone around that table knows that JH played a ball or two under his normal speed. The spot was actually fair if JH didn't dog his brains out.

He wasn't alone Alex had his share of dogged shots also I'd say it was his B speed


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He wasn't alone Alex had his share of dogged shots also I'd say it was his B speed


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Even the best players in the world can't play 12+ hours without missing some seemingly routine shots, when playing on a table with 4-inch pockets!
 
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I would bet they not only go back, they go back a few days early and rob the backer some more. I think the game they want is with Pepsi Don and not Justin

Not hardy Alex is abroad visiting family and his backers are back here and one said to me quote you know me I wanted to play again ,, they do have other horses to feed I know they are working on something big that I'm not privy to say yet ,
I'm sure JH will get another crack if he wants but who knows when


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Even the best players in the world can't play 12+ hours without missing some seemingly routine shots, when playing on a table with 4-inch pockets!

If there was aa TPA for 1P, I'd say Alex shot 860 to JH's 780. FWIW-Nothing!
 
If there was aa TPA for 1P, I'd say Alex shot 860 to JH's 780. FWIW-Nothing!
I would think it would be extremely hard to calculate a player's TPA accurately for one pocket. So many of the shots are considered as very low percentage 2-way shots where the player is just making sure not to leave their opponent anything, but if they just happen to make their ball on the shot, fine. I don't know how one would judge / determine which of those shots realistically should have been made, even by a pro player, without it becoming very subjective.
 
Not hardy Alex is abroad visiting family and his backers are back here and one said to me quote you know me I wanted to play again ,, they do have other horses to feed I know they are working on something big that I'm not privy to say yet ,
I'm sure JH will get another crack if he wants but who knows when


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I've heard mention of the other thing
 
Yes, mostly just monday nights. but i live real close to it if you want play sometime

I don't get up there too much, even though I'm only @ 5 miles south. I'm near Clw High off Gulf to Bay. I play at Family across from Micky D's at Court and Missouri.

You know Marco? He plays at Stroker's all the time as far as I know. His family owns a deli pretty close by. He plays pretty sporty. I'd like to hook up sometime, yeah... we'll have to work it out somehow.
 
I would think it would be extremely hard to calculate a player's TPA accurately for one pocket. So many of the shots are considered as very low percentage 2-way shots where the player is just making sure not to leave their opponent anything, but if they just happen to make their ball on the shot, fine. I don't know how one would judge / determine which of those shots realistically should have been made, even by a pro player, without it becoming very subjective.

I agree. There is no way to calculate an accurate T.P.A in 1hole.

Anyone that has a way, please show me.
 
I doubt there will be an adjustment. Everyone around that table knows that JH played a ball or two under his normal speed. The spot was actually fair if JH didn't dog his brains out.

Yep, and he may have surprised some folks if he had played his normal game. He is a bigger beast than most think, especially on that table.

Lots of people in this thread really underrated JHall simply because he had a very bad day and while playing one of the very best 1hole players to ever hold a cue.

I've never seen JHall play that bad. It's not because of pressure. He has done more than his share of high level gambling with high level players.

Even monsters have bad days. Yep, we're all human. Heck, I've seen Alex have bad days too, just can't remember it.....lol.
 
Even monsters have bad days. Yep, we're all human. Heck, I've seen Alex have bad days too, just can't remember it.....lol.

Myself and Jay Helfert were the sole witnesses to the single best rack of pool I have ever witnessed in my life. Chris melling's circus shots on Youtube have ZERO on this game.

Jay Helfert trapped Pagulayan in a One Pocket proposition game where Pagulayan had 5 racks or something to run 50 balls or thereabouts against the One Pocket ghost. Break the rack and run them from where they lie, until you miss, then go for the next rack.Alex was getting something like 3-to-1 on the money?

Pagulayan was in a stone cold trap. He was down to his last rack and needed all 15 balls! He then ran the most incredible runout I have ever seen, and I have watched thousands of hours of pool. At one point, he twist-banked a ball that had gotten kicked uptable, and was on his side of the table, about 4 inches off the side rail. The incredible thing about the shot was the cue ball was in the quadrant of the table, close to his opponent's pocket! A twist bank from this angle might be the single hardest shot in pool. And he pulled it out when he needed every ball on the table.

The sheer mental strength I saw during that single rack was one of the most awesome sporting accomplishments I have ever had the privilege to witness. It'd be nice to hear Jay Helfert's side of this story, to get more accurate numbers on the bet/proposition. He was pretty salty about it at the time, but he should be proud that he was able to contribute a relatively small amount of money to this legend of a player, and create the opportunity for history to be made, even though it was not filmed..

Short Bus Russ
 
Myself and Jay Helfert were the sole witnesses to the single best rack of pool I have ever witnessed in my life. Chris melling's circus shots on Youtube have ZERO on this game.

Jay Helfert trapped Pagulayan in a One Pocket proposition game where Pagulayan had 5 racks or something to run 50 balls or thereabouts against the One Pocket ghost. Break the rack and run them from where they lie, until you miss, then go for the next rack.Alex was getting something like 3-to-1 on the money?

Pagulayan was in a stone cold trap. He was down to his last rack and needed all 15 balls! He then ran the most incredible runout I have ever seen, and I have watched thousands of hours of pool. At one point, he twist-banked a ball that had gotten kicked uptable, and was on his side of the table, about 4 inches off the side rail. The incredible thing about the shot was the cue ball was in the quadrant of the table, close to his opponent's pocket! A twist bank from this angle might be the single hardest shot in pool. And he pulled it out when he needed every ball on the table.

The sheer mental strength I saw during that single rack was one of the most awesome sporting accomplishments I have ever had the privilege to witness. It'd be nice to hear Jay Helfert's side of this story, to get more accurate numbers on the bet/proposition. He was pretty salty about it at the time, but he should be proud that he was able to contribute a relatively small amount of money to this legend of a player, and create the opportunity for history to be made, even though it was not filmed..

Short Bus Russ

Nice. I wish I could have seen it.

Btw, in my previous post I said Alex has bad days, well, I finally remembered one I witnessed.

It was in Huntsville, Alabama at goodtimez billiards. It was the Rocket-city-open.

Sky W. won the bar box tournament that day.

But, "Hennessy from tennessee", put a beating on Dennis O in bar box part of tournament but both ended up being outed.

But, they had a midnight madness winner take all 10 ball on 9'. Alex and hennessy from tennessee was last two standing. Alex had Hennessey by a game or so and then dogged a couple balls two games in a row.

Hennessey made him pay for mistakes when Alex had very, very, very easy out that ANYONE could have pulled off, but.....alex had object ball ~6" from side with Cue ball about ~6" from object ball. It was a very easy out that more or less determined the match to me.

Anyway, Alex raised up on shot and missed. He never got back to table. Hennessey ran out, then broke and ran next/final game for win.

That was the worst I ever seen Alex play. Not just with Hennessey, but with several others. He lost a couple sets to some nobody that, to be honest, most any A player could beat.

That is the only time I remember Alex actually playing really bad.

Think about it, world class player gets beat by local A player. Of course, it was a tournament and short races but it was even up, no spot.

Efren, busti, Dennis etc.... It seemed they all play a hair below their norm that day.

Cohen, sky and Hennessey was the only three players that actually played well that two or three day stretch.

Btw, Cohen won the 1hole part.

I believe that was 2016.

Also, I seen Dennis lose a couple ghost sets that night. It was 10ball, wood rack, ball in hand and 12ball ghost ball in hand. He lost both. Can't remember the bet but It was cheap. Something like 1 to 2k a set, fuzzy on the amounts.

Anyways, yep, anyone can have a chatty day and lose to a lesser player.
 
Did you mean chiddy?
Lol
Let’s not forget that straight in 9 ball.
Anyone can hit em poorly. J halls no joke, but
I like the cannon, so glad to hear he wants to jump up.
When Shannon wants some one hole, Nobody has
to like it!
 
I don't get up there too much, even though I'm only @ 5 miles south. I'm near Clw High off Gulf to Bay. I play at Family across from Micky D's at Court and Missouri.

You know Marco? He plays at Stroker's all the time as far as I know. His family owns a deli pretty close by. He plays pretty sporty. I'd like to hook up sometime, yeah... we'll have to work it out somehow.

I know Marco very well. He's not playing much pool though. Great deli. I've been to family a few times and gottten beaten in some one pocket games. I'd be happy to come down there and hit some around, still trying to learn one pocket lol.
 
I know Marco very well. He's not playing much pool though. Great deli. I've been to family a few times and gottten beaten in some one pocket games. I'd be happy to come down there and hit some around, still trying to learn one pocket lol.

I've known Marco since he was @ 14 or so. He and Donny both grew up together at Family, along with a kid named Bobby who, sadly enough, is no longer with us.

Yeah, I can't even *spell* "won pawkit". Who'd you play 1hole with? Hardly anyone plays 1hole at Family. New York Mike plays it some but that's about it.

Sure, come on down. I'm there every day in late afternoon til early evening except Tue and Wed.
 
I've known Marco since he was @ 14 or so. He and Donny both grew up together at Family, along with a kid named Bobby who, sadly enough, is no longer with us.

Yeah, I can't even *spell* "won pawkit". Who'd you play 1hole with? Hardly anyone plays 1hole at Family. New York Mike plays it some but that's about it.

Sure, come on down. I'm there every day in late afternoon til early evening except Tue and Wed.

I played a guy named Paul and Cam Simon.
I thought Family had all one pocket players,lol. Not many around this area i guess. I'll get down one day. Be a couple weeks before i can though.
 
I played a guy named Paul and Cam Simon.
I thought Family had all one pocket players,lol. Not many around this area i guess. I'll get down one day. Be a couple weeks before i can though.

No idea who Paul might be but I know Cam well. Nah, not many 1hole-eestas in Family. No problem, get down whenever you're able.
 
From what time I've spent around you and J.Hall I know for a fact he is being way underrated by all this 10/6 crap.

Is Alex better, even up? Not yes, but hellllll yes!

Can Alex give J the same spot again? IMO, yes. Will it be a runaway again? I doubt it.

I've seen both in gear and Alex can outrun nuts with most anyone but there are "some" that he needs to be extra careful with and that match, regardless of what happened that time will likely end same winner but much, much closer because J. Hall's gear is not that far behind Alex's.

We'll I don't know you by AZ name, but if you know me you know I'm just trying to bet on the kid. Everyone in here knows how bad Justin played. He's been my friend since he was 7 so i hated to see him play that bad in a big set against the best player on the planet. I've just seen so many ridiculous post from people that probably have never been under any kind of heat remotely close to that. I know there's knowledgeable people in here so I'm not calling everyone out. I just thought maybe one of those 10/6 guys might want to lay some odds.
 
I agree. There is no way to calculate an accurate T.P.A in 1hole.

Anyone that has a way, please show me.
Yeah, that only thing close to a TPA you could calculate for a one pocket match would be a % of mistakes / unforced errors / sellouts per shots attempted.
 
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