Huge Action Alex Pagulayan vs Justin Hall LIVE July 31 who do you guys like ?

Yeah, that only thing close to a TPA you could calculate for a one pocket match would be a % of mistakes / unforced errors / sellouts per shots attempted.

Well that's a start-It would be near impossible to nail it down real well. I was just trying to estimate their overall performance relative to each other and to what might be considered 1P perfection.
 
We'll I don't know you by AZ name, but if you know me you know I'm just trying to bet on the kid. Everyone in here knows how bad Justin played. He's been my friend since he was 7 so i hated to see him play that bad in a big set against the best player on the planet. I've just seen so many ridiculous post from people that probably have never been under any kind of heat remotely close to that. I know there's knowledgeable people in here so I'm not calling everyone out. I just thought maybe one of those 10/6 guys might want to lay some odds.

I like this post.....a loyal friend is a great thing to have.
...I’m on the other side for the same reason....but we can have a beer anytime.
 
We'll I don't know you by AZ name, but if you know me you know I'm just trying to bet on the kid. Everyone in here knows how bad Justin played. He's been my friend since he was 7 so i hated to see him play that bad in a big set against the best player on the planet. I've just seen so many ridiculous post from people that probably have never been under any kind of heat remotely close to that. I know there's knowledgeable people in here so I'm not calling everyone out. I just thought maybe one of those 10/6 guys might want to lay some odds.

Your correct, there are some knowledgeable people in here. Having said that, there are a few know nothing's as well.

As far as them backing up what they spew, don't look for it to happen.

You know what they say, "talk is cheap, especially after the count".

JHall is so much more than what he showed. I think most have not seen his high gear but Alex's gear has been seen plenty.

They only know what their told and see.

You and J will, with that do good "if you can get his head straight before playing again".

He ain't no pushover like some may think. Da boy can play his a55 off under lots of pressure, I've seen it.

Don't know what happened the other day. I was super surprised.
 
After hearing more about why they didn't play another set it looks like the decision was 100% Alex's because he said the smoke was bothering his eyes too much to continue.

It seems highly unlikely to me that they will play again in that room and on that table. :(

Alex definitely didn’t want to play another set....
...but some people are ignoring the fact that he offered to play another set for 40Gs.

Seems like some people equate high-rolling with quitting...:confused:
...and he says if he does come back....the bet is 40Gs.


And it’s all Thorsten Hohman’s fault.
In 2003, Thorsten walked all over Alex in the World 9- final...
...Alex smoked and partied a lot in those days.
Alex saw what being in great shape really does for your game.
He stopped drinking and smoking and did exercises for the next year....
....he won the World 9-ball in 2004.

He will still party sometimes, but not nearly as much....and he still doesn’t smoke.
...he owes Thorsten big time
 
Myself and Jay Helfert were the sole witnesses to the single best rack of pool I have ever witnessed in my life. Chris melling's circus shots on Youtube have ZERO on this game.

Jay Helfert trapped Pagulayan in a One Pocket proposition game where Pagulayan had 5 racks or something to run 50 balls or thereabouts against the One Pocket ghost. Break the rack and run them from where they lie, until you miss, then go for the next rack.Alex was getting something like 3-to-1 on the money?

Pagulayan was in a stone cold trap. He was down to his last rack and needed all 15 balls! He then ran the most incredible runout I have ever seen, and I have watched thousands of hours of pool. At one point, he twist-banked a ball that had gotten kicked uptable, and was on his side of the table, about 4 inches off the side rail. The incredible thing about the shot was the cue ball was in the quadrant of the table, close to his opponent's pocket! A twist bank from this angle might be the single hardest shot in pool. And he pulled it out when he needed every ball on the table.

The sheer mental strength I saw during that single rack was one of the most awesome sporting accomplishments I have ever had the privilege to witness. It'd be nice to hear Jay Helfert's side of this story, to get more accurate numbers on the bet/proposition. He was pretty salty about it at the time, but he should be proud that he was able to contribute a relatively small amount of money to this legend of a player, and create the opportunity for history to be made, even though it was not filmed..

Short Bus Russ

It went down like this. We were at the DCC at the old Executive Inn and we're still doing the very popular One Pocket Challenge, where a player got five turns at the One Pocket ghost and we added up his cumulative scoree for the five tries. A very good player might get in the 30's (total balls made in five tries) and the winning player might be in the 40's. 45 was an extremely high score, meaning the player had to average nine balls per inning. Try it sometime on any table and you'll see how hard it is.

Anyway after it was all over (Gabe Owen won that year with a miraculous 60!) Alex and a few other guys were gambling at the game and Alex was getting the best of it shooting high 30's and a low 40 (42 I think). After awhile, the other three players quit gambling with Alex, and Alex pipes up, "I'll bet I can make a 45!" Knowing how hard that was I asked Alex how much he wanted to bet. He said $500 and I agreed. After three innings he had exactly 16 and I was looking good. In the fourth inning he hit me with an incredible 14 and now had 30. I wasn't too worried though, since he needed a perfect rack in his last inning to win.

After the break shot, he had a decent spread on the balls but had at least five balls on the wrong side of the table, and a few up table as well. He made the first three or four with no problem but then it got tough. He needed to bank a ball backwards into his pocket and let the cue ball go up table and around. Swish! Now he had to make an off angle combination. Swish! From here on in it was one amazing shot after another. Russ got that one right. Each shot looked like a miracle shot from nowhere; crazy banks, impossible cuts and long combos! Even with three balls left, he had to make an extremely hard twisting bank to get shape on the last two balls. After he made that shot the last two balls were relatively easy. He had gotten 29 balls in two innings to win my 500. I was sick! :cool:
 
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Shit, I know there's no video, but can you at least get som crayons and draw us a picture or 2?

It's actually pretty easy to imagine.. Just take the 7 craziest shots you ever saw over your entire pool career, and combine them all into one game, one after the other. And put the pressure on top of that.. you can't miss.

Short Bus Russ
 
It's actually pretty easy to imagine.. Just take the 7 craziest shots you ever saw over your entire pool career, and combine them all into one game, one after the other. And put the pressure on top of that.. you can't miss.

Short Bus Russ

I've done 15 a couple times in the gym, and I worked for the circus.

I think I got a mental pic, but Jay's crayon art would be nice to have too.
 
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