Rolling Cue Ball at BREAK Speed in Middle

[Bobkitty]

Can you send the cue ball up the middle of the table and back to your cue tip at BREAK speed. For those of you that your break speed is too much for the table, flying off, breaking glass, ruining the rails, etc. etc. How about toning it down to 4& 1/2 or 5 lengths of the table (9' table). The cue ball must go at least 4 & 1/2 or 5 lengths up and down the table for the test. I work on this every morning. Right now my cue ball pretty consistently goes about 6" to my left on the first pass. Missing my tip by 6". I can roll it true at soft speed but I want the "dead" ball on the break shots. Test yourself. I'm sure the pros can do this every time.

 

[Hits 'em Hard]

I'm sure the pros can do this every time.

And you wouldn’t bet a dime. Hell a penny. Why? Because at 4 1/2 rails, the cue ball is traveling AWAY from your cue tip. At 5 rails the cue ball shouldn’t be having enough speed to really come back to your tip.

 

[Bobkitty]

And you wouldn’t bet a dime. Hell a penny. Why? Because at 4 1/2 rails, the cue ball is traveling AWAY from your cue tip. At 5 rails the cue ball shouldn’t be having enough speed to really come back to your tip.

No, you miss understood my statement. On the first trip up and down to the table, the cue ball, if perfect, must come back to where it was shot from, in the middle of the kitchen. But at BREAK speed. Of course I remove the cue stick and watch the cue ball. I want it to consistently come back to the middle on the first pass but at break speed. Most of us do this test with a lag speed and it's pretty easy to do it that way.

 

[Icon of Sin]

No, you miss understood my statement. On the first trip up and down to the table, the cue ball, if perfect, must come back to where it was shot from, in the middle of the kitchen. But at BREAK speed. Of course I remove the cue stick and watch the cue ball. I want it to consistently come back to the middle on the first pass but at break speed. Most of us do this test with a lag speed and it's pretty easy to do it that way.

At Break speed? How do you keep it on the table?

On the break the cue ball is often air born part of the way. There is a good chance that it will be airborn when it contacts the first rail meaning it is going to be airborn as it leaves it. It seems like it would be safer to setup a long straight in shot and hit that with break speed with the intention of stopping the cue ball. Even then, missing the pocket could send the object ball flying.

Unless you are doing this at 1 Pocket Break Speed LOL

 

[Black-Balled]

I'll take pointless pursuits for 200, alex.

 

[Bobkitty]

At Break speed? How do you keep it on the table?

On the break the cue ball is often air born part of the way. There is a good chance that it will be airborn when it contacts the first rail meaning it is going to be airborn as it leaves it. It seems like it would be safer to setup a long straight in shot and hit that with break speed with the intention of stopping the cue ball. Even then, missing the pocket could send the object ball flying.

Unless you are doing this at 1 Pocket Break Speed LOL

Well, your break is harder than mine. My break speed rolls the cue ball about 4.75 lengths up and down the table. How about slowing your break speed down until it does that and you can do the test for a spin less and dead cue ball.

 

[gregcantrall]

I place the object ball on the foot spot and cue ball on the head spot. Shoot to stop the cue ball and have the object ball come back and hit the cue ball. I open every practice session with this shot on a 10' table. On three occasions I have hit it so pure that the cue ball is kicked back to the head rail and returns to hit the object ball a third time. That is a perfect hit!

 

[Bobkitty]

I place the object ball on the foot spot and cue ball on the head spot. Shoot to stop the cue ball and have the object ball come back and hit the cue ball. I open every practice session with this shot on a 10' table. On three occasions I have hit it so pure that the cue ball is kicked back to the head rail and returns to hit the object ball a third time. That is a perfect hit!

Yes, a perfect hit and I can do that also at a firm moderate stroke. But, at 10 ball break speed, how can you do? I guess if your break is 24 mph it wouldn't stay on the table but most of us don't have that kind of speed on the hardest break.

 

[Black-Balled]

Yes, a perfect hit and I can do that also at a firm moderate stroke. But, at 10 ball break speed, how can you do? I guess if your break is 24 mph it wouldn't stay on the table but most of us don't have that kind of speed on the hardest break.

Quick learner, eh?

 

[Bobkitty]

Quick learner, eh?

Learning what? I can't get anyone to even try this or even wonder how if they can hit the cue ball in the middle at break speed.

 

[Icon of Sin]

Learning what? I can't get anyone to even try this or even wonder how if they can hit the cue ball in the middle at break speed.

Because they dont want to get their teeth knocked out on the rebound.

Even taking some speed off the break, there is still a good chance of that cueball rebounding in the air. Not to mention, slamming straight into your rail that hard over and over is a good way to reduce the life of it, whether it is your table or one at the poolhall.

How about you make a video of how you are doing it and share it with everyone? Would love to see the actual speed you are hitting it.

 

[Bob Jewett]

I'll take pointless pursuits for 200, alex.

Here is your visual clue, BB

 

[Bobkitty]

Because they dont want to get their teeth knocked out on the rebound.

Even taking some speed off the break, there is still a good chance of that cueball rebounding in the air. Not to mention, slamming straight into your rail that hard over and over is a good way to reduce the life of it, whether it is your table or one at the poolhall.

How about you make a video of how you are doing it and share it with everyone? Would love to see the actual speed you are hitting it.

I forgot everyone on AZB has warp pro level break speed around 25 miles per hour, off the table, breaking glass, etc. How about doing my test with a mild but firm stroke that only has four lengths of the table?

 

[Lawnboy77]

I was doing this drill this morning, but not at break speed. I think it was Scott Lee’s YouTube video that gave me the idea. 3 lengths of the table, if I remember right, he called it a double lag. It’s a pretty darn good drill to add to the morning routine, but don’t think I want to do that at break speed. I suppose adding another trip back down the table would be good.

 

[Black-Balled]

Here is your visual clue, BB
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What is, 'I touch used rubbers, bob...err, alex'?

No, wait. I dont want to say that.

 

[fastone371]

I forgot everyone on AZB has warp pro level break speed around 25 miles per hour, off the table, breaking glass, etc. How about doing my test with a mild but firm stroke that only has four lengths of the table?

My controlled break speed on radar is only 21-22 MPH, which I dont think is very fast, but I think I would be a little concerned about holding my position for the cue ball to return back to my cue, I know that the cue ball is airborne quite often when I break. I have a BreakRak which supplies with information on my break via cue ball action. If you get the same feedback with your example as you would racking and breaking the balls then I get that same info from using my BreakRak.

 

[gregcantrall]

Yes, a perfect hit and I can do that also at a firm moderate stroke. But, at 10 ball break speed, how can you do? I guess if your break is 24 mph it wouldn't stay on the table but most of us don't have that kind of speed on the hardest break.

Uh, that is my break speed.
A break hit perfectly accurate is my goal.

 

[Bobkitty]

My controlled break speed on radar is only 21-22 MPH, which I dont think is very fast, but I think I would be a little concerned about holding my position for the cue ball to return back to my cue, I know that the cue ball is airborne quite often when I break. I have a BreakRak which supplies with information on my break via cue ball action. If you get the same feedback with your example as you would racking and breaking the balls then I get that same info from using my BreakRak.

I really don't mean to hold your cue stick. What I meant was does the cue ball come back across perfect center on the first pass back. On my first pass back, I'm usually about 6" left of center but I want it perfect every time (if possible). Also, if the cue ball spins after a break, it's got spin and would show up doing the test.

 

[slach]

I really don't mean to hold your cue stick. What I meant was does the cue ball come back across perfect center on the first pass back. On my first pass back, I'm usually about 6" left of center but I want it perfect every time (if possible). Also, if the cue ball spins after a break, it's got spin and would show up doing the test.

I'm managed to get the cue ball to roll over the head/foot spots a few times with a 4 1/2 length break - just by chance, no consistency. Real curious if pro-level players can do it consistently. Frankly, seems like a pretty good warm-up drill.

 

[Bobkitty]

I'm managed to get the cue ball to roll over the head/foot spots a few times with a 4 1/2 length break - just by chance, no consistency. Real curious if pro-level players can do it consistently. Frankly, seems like a pretty good warm-up drill.

Thank you for taking the test! If the cue ball doesn't pass the center, on it's first pass back which would be number 2 on the length drill, the ball will spin out on the break shot. This loses a lot of power compared to a dead cue ball. I can do it by shortening my bridge length but I hate to do that with the English changes.