Stats -- Bergman vs. Deuel 8-Ball Champions Challenge, February 2019

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This Post #1 is for SET #1 of the match.

See Post #27 for similar results for SET #2,
Post #32 for similar results for SET #3, and
Post #35 for similar results for SET #4.

See Post #39 for results for all 4 sets combined.

Here are some results from the Justin Bergman vs. Corey Deuel 8-Ball Champions Challenge match played at Steakhorse Billiards in Spartanburg, South Carolina beginning on Friday, February 8, 2019. PoolActionTV provided pay-per-view streaming.

This is a handicapped match -- best 3 out of 5 races to 30, with Deuel receiving 3 games on the wire in each set -- with one set on Friday, one set on Saturday, 1 or 2 sets on Sunday, and 1 set on Monday (if needed).

Conditions -- The conditions for this call-shot 8-Ball match included:
- Diamond 7-foot table with 4½" pro-cut corner pockets;​
- Simonis 860 Tournament Blue cloth;​
- Aramith balls, including a measles cue ball;​
- breaker racks using a triangle rack;​
- winner breaks from anywhere behind the head string;​
- table open after the break unless balls are made from just one group;​
- ball in hand anywhere on the table after a foul on the break;​
- spot any 8-ball made on the break, or re-break, at breaker's option;​
- cue-ball fouls only; and​
- 3-foul rule in effect.​

The following results are for the first set, played Friday, February 8. Bergman won the set 30-27, including Deuel's 3-game spot. So the stats are for the 54 games played. The commentators were Jeremy Jones, Ray Hansen, and Francisco Bustamante (very briefly).

■ Bergman broke 30 times -- successful 19 times (resulting in 14 game wins and 5 losses), 2 fouls (1 win and 1 loss), and 9 dry (2 wins and 7 losses).

■ Deuel broke 24 times -- successful 13 times (resulting in 6 game wins and 7 losses), 2 fouls (1 win and 1 loss), and 9 dry (4 wins and 5 losses).

Successful breaks (made at least one ball and did not foul):
Bergman -- 19 of 30 (63%)​
Deuel -- 13 of 24 (54%)​
Total -- 32 of 54 (59%)​

Fouled and/or dry breaks:
Bergman -- 11 of 30 (37%)​
Deuel -- 11 of 24 (46%)​
Total -- 22 of 54 (41%)​

Breaker won game:
Bergman -- 17 of 30 (57%)​
Deuel -- 11 of 24 (46%)​
Total -- 28 of 54 (52%)​

Break-and-run games -- on all breaks:
Bergman -- 12 of 30 (40%)​
Deuel -- 4 of 24 (17%)​
Total -- 16 of 54 (30%)​

Break-and-run games -- on successful breaks (made at least one ball and did not foul):
Bergman -- 12 of 19 (63%)​
Deuel -- 4 of 13 (31%)​
Total -- 16 of 32 (50%)​

Fouls:
Bergman -- 6 (including 2 on the break)​
Deuel -- 7 (including 2 on the break)​
Total -- 13​

Missed shots:
Bergman -- 10​
Deuel -- 13​
Total -- 23​

Safeties:
Bergman -- 8​
Deuel -- 3​
Total -- 11 (4 games with 1 safety each game, 2 games with 2 each game , and 1 game with 3)​
Games with 1 or more safeties -- 13% (7 of 54)​

Average number of balls made on the break:
Bergman -- 1.2 on all breaks, 1.8 on successful breaks​
Deuel -- 1.0 on all breaks, 1.7 on successful breaks​
Total -- 1.1 on all breaks, 1.8 on successful breaks​

Run-outs from first shot after break:
By Bergman after his own successful break (B&R's) -- 12 of 19 (63%)​
By Bergman after Deuel's failed break -- 6 of 11 (55%)​
By Bergman, total -- 18 of 30 (60%)​
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By Deuel after his own successful break (B&R's) -- 4 of 13 (31%)​
By Deuel after Bergman's failed break -- 7 of 11 (64%)​
By Deuel, total -- 11 of 24 (46%)​
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Total for Bergman and Deuel -- 29 of 54 (54%)​

Run-outs from first shot after Bergman's break:
By Bergman (B&R's) -- 12 of 19 (63%)​
By Deuel -- 7 of 11 (64%)​
Total -- 19 of 30 (63%)​

Run-outs from first shot after Deuel's break:
By Deuel (B&R's) -- 4 of 13 (31%)​
By Bergman -- 6 of 11 (55%)​
Total -- 10 of 24 (42%)​

Number of innings -- 74% (40 of 54) of the games ended in one inning. 16 games ended on the breaker's first inning (B&R games), 24 games ended on the non-breaker's first inning, 8 games ended on the breaker's second inning, and 2 games ended on the non-breaker's second inning. Only 4 games went beyond the non-breaker's second visit to the table, with the longest game ending on the breaker's 5th visit.

Break-and-run games -- Bergman's 12 B&R games consisted of 1 3-pack, 4 2-packs, and 1 single. Deuel's 4 B&R games consisted of 1 3-pack and 1 single.

8-balls on the break -- Two. Bergman made one; he chose to re-break (so his first break that game is not included in the stats). Deuel made one; he chose to spot it and continue playing.

Set length -- 8 hours and 8 minutes, for a lengthy average of 9.0 minutes per game. [Note: This includes racking and 5 timeouts of several minutes each.]
 
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It's a small sample size but I notice both Corey and Bergman run out about 65% after Bergman's break. Bergman seems to both make a ball more often and make more runnable racks.


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Thanks-Deuel getting waxed in every category. Still he showed he can win battling back from 15-10 to tie it and then having it tied again at 27!! It was a close match and i look for a closer match tonight-Wish they'd start at 4 PM EST Last night's match was 8 hours plus i believe.
 
spot seems fair. didn't think it would (well maybe it wont)

is corey generally not so good on the small size tables? i have only seen him play 8-ball at IPT
 
skogstokig said:
spot seems fair. didn't think it would (well maybe it wont)

is corey generally not so good on the small size tables? i have only seen him play 8-ball at IPT
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He is usually great at bar table 8 ball. However it seems to me he is better on valleys than diamonds.

I was surprised that Bergman gave him a spot but maybe he really is better than Corey at bar table 8 ball
 
If Corey can get 2 more BNR out of 13, he might've won the match.

6/13 46% on successful breaks is not unreasonable for someone of his caliber.

That is still well less than Bergman 63% BNR on successful breaks.

4/24 BNR on all breaks is VERY LOW for Corey.

I look for Corey to play much better today.
 
Deuel broke from a few inches off the side rail into the second ball. He changed sides fairly late in the match, but stuck with the 2nd-ball break.

Bergman broke from the side into the 2nd ball for his first 21 breaks, but then he switched to a head-ball break with the CB just off center. The 2nd-ball break was successful early in the match (7 of first 8 breaks) but then pretty poor (5 successful of next 13). After switching to a head-ball break he was successful on 7 of 9.
 
That match could’ve went the other way easily.....
...i watched a little...Corey blew 3 games by being heavy handed on position....
....I don’t expect Corey to do that...he handles whitey well.
 
AtLarge said:
Here are some results from the Justin Bergman vs. Corey Deuel 8-Ball Champions Challenge match played at Steakhorse Billiards in Spartanburg, South Carolina beginning on Friday, February 8, 2019. PoolActionTV provided pay-per-view streaming.

This is a handicapped match -- best 3 out of 5 races to 30, with Deuel receiving 3 games on the wire in each set -- with one set on Friday, one set on Saturday, 1 or 2 sets on Sunday, and 1 set on Monday (if needed).

Conditions -- The conditions for this call-shot 8-Ball match included:
- Diamond 7-foot table with 4½" pro-cut corner pockets;
- Simonis 860 Tournament Blue cloth;
- Aramith balls, including a measles cue ball;
- breaker racks using a triangle rack;
- winner breaks from anywhere behind the head string;
- table open after the break unless balls are made from just one group;
- ball in hand anywhere on the table after a foul on the break;
- spot any 8-ball made on the break, or re-break, at breaker's option; and
- 3-foul rule in effect.

The following results are for the first set, played Friday, February 8. Bergman won the set 30-27, including Deuel's 3-game spot. So the stats are for the 54 games played. The commentators were Jeremy Jones, Ray Hansen, and Francisco Bustamante (very briefly).

Bergman broke 30 times -- successful 19 times (resulting in 14 game wins and 5 losses), 2 fouls (1 win and 1 loss), and 9 dry (2 wins and 7 losses).

Deuel broke 24 times -- successful 13 times (resulting in 6 game wins and 7 losses), 2 fouls (1 win and 1 loss), and 9 dry (4 wins and 5 losses).

Successful breaks (made at least one ball and did not foul):
  • Bergman -- 19 of 30 (63%)
  • Deuel -- 13 of 24 (54%)
  • Total -- 32 of 54 (59%)

Fouled and/or dry breaks:
  • Bergman -- 11 of 30 (37%)
  • Deuel -- 11 of 24 (46%)
  • Total -- 22 of 54 (41%)

Breaker won game:
  • Bergman -- 17 of 30 (57%)
  • Deuel -- 11 of 24 (46%)
  • Total -- 28 of 54 (52%)

Break-and-run games -- on all breaks:
  • Bergman -- 12 of 30 (40%)
  • Deuel -- 4 of 24 (17%)
  • Total -- 16 of 54 (30%)

Break-and-run games -- on successful breaks (made at least one ball and did not foul):
  • Bergman -- 12 of 19 (63%)
  • Deuel -- 4 of 13 (31%)
  • Total -- 16 of 32 (50%)

Fouls:
  • Bergman -- 6 (including 2 on the break)
  • Deuel -- 6 (including 2 on the break)
  • Total -- 12

Missed shots:
  • Bergman -- 10
  • Deuel -- 14
  • Total -- 24

Safeties:
  • Bergman -- 8
  • Deuel -- 3
  • Total -- 11 (4 games with 1 safety each game, 2 games with 2 each game , and 1 game with 3)
  • Games with 1 or more safeties -- 13% (7 of 54)

Average number of balls made on the break:
  • Bergman -- 1.2 on all breaks, 1.8 on successful breaks
  • Deuel -- 1.0 on all breaks, 1.7 on successful breaks
  • Total -- 1.1 on all breaks, 1.8 on successful breaks

Run-outs from first shot after break:
  • By Bergman after his own successful break (B&R's) -- 12 of 19 (63%)
  • By Bergman after Deuel's failed break -- 6 of 11 (55%)
  • By Bergman, total -- 18 of 30 (60%)


  • By Deuel after his own successful break (B&R's) -- 4 of 13 (31%)
  • By Deuel after Bergman's failed break -- 7 of 11 (64%)
  • By Deuel, total -- 11 of 24 (46%)


  • Total for Bergman and Deuel -- 29 of 54 (54%)

Run-outs from first shot after Bergman's break:
  • By Bergman (B&R's) -- 12 of 19 (63%)
  • By Deuel -- 7 of 11 (64%)
  • Total -- 19 of 30 (63%)

Run-outs from first shot after Deuel's break:
  • By Deuel (B&R's) -- 4 of 13 (31%)
  • By Bergman -- 6 of 11 (55%)
  • Total -- 10 of 24 (42%)

Number of innings -- 74% (40 of 54) of the games ended in one inning. 16 games ended on the breaker's first inning (B&R games), 24 games ended on the non-breaker's first inning, 8 games ended on the breaker's second inning, and 2 games ended on the non-breaker's second inning. Only 4 games went beyond the non-breaker's second visit to the table, with the longest game ending on the breaker's 5th visit.

Break-and-run games -- Bergman's 12 B&R games consisted of 1 3-pack, 4 2-packs, and 1 single. Deuel's 4 B&R games consisted of 1 3-pack and 1 single.

8-balls on the break -- Two. Bergman made one; he chose to re-break (so his first break that game is not included in the stats). Deuel made one; he chose to spot it and continue playing.

Match length -- 8 hours and 8 minutes, for a lengthy average of 9.0 minutes per game. [Note: This includes racking and 5 timeouts of several minutes each.]
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Thanks for doing these,great job.

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Maybe Corey should change his break strategy if things don’t improve with his second ball break
 
westcoast said:
Maybe Corey should change his break strategy if things don’t improve with his second ball break
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Corey never changes from the second ball break. I've played guys that hate so much to hit the head ball, scatter the balls, and not make a ball and watch you run out, that they figure they would rather take their chances with a clustered up table.

One guy that I played did this. He broke hitting the head ball, didn't make a ball, and I ran out. He then used the second ball break. He broke and ran 4 racks in a row that way. Then broke dry hitting the second ball, and I ran out anyway.

I literally HATE the second ball break. Sure, you can often make a ball, but trying to run out with clusters all over the table just seems crazy to me. Why do that if you can spread them open and make a ball.
 
Get_A_Grip said:
Corey never changes from the second ball break. I've played guys that hate so much to hit the head ball, scatter the balls, and not make a ball and watch you run out, that they figure they would rather take their chances with a clustered up table.

One guy that I played did this. He broke hitting the head ball, didn't make a ball, and I ran out. He then used the second ball break. He broke and ran 4 racks in a row that way. Then broke dry hitting the second ball, and I ran out anyway.

I literally HATE the second ball break. Sure, you can often make a ball, but trying to run out with clusters all over the table just seems crazy to me. Why do that if you can spread them open and make a ball.
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I agree- especially at corey’s level of play- he must have a head ball break that works well and he of course has no trouble running out
 
Get_A_Grip said:
Corey never changes from the second ball break. I've played guys that hate so much to hit the head ball, scatter the balls, and not make a ball and watch you run out, that they figure they would rather take their chances with a clustered up table.

One guy that I played did this. He broke hitting the head ball, didn't make a ball, and I ran out. He then used the second ball break. He broke and ran 4 racks in a row that way. Then broke dry hitting the second ball, and I ran out anyway.

I literally HATE the second ball break. Sure, you can often make a ball, but trying to run out with clusters all over the table just seems crazy to me. Why do that if you can spread them open and make a ball.
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Because if you don't make a ball, your opponent is out. Pro's playing 8 ball is fun to watch, especially dealing with clusters. much more enjoyable then 9 ball.

I like the second ball break, I always find that I'm more comfortable dealing with the clusters then most of my opponents.

I used to play a guy in league, against everyone else I would break hitting the head ball. Against him, he hated it so bad that I used to play the 2nd ball on purpose just for the sheer joy of hearing him b*tch and moan about how the 2nd ball break should be banned :grin:
 
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Uh, you guys questioning Ccorey’s breaking strategy....youse guys realize that Corey
has caused breaking rules to be modified more than any other player in history?
 
52% (28 of 54) of the games were won with stripes. For Bergman it was 60% (18 of 30), and for Deuel it was 42% (10 of 24).
 
AtLarge said:
52% (28 of 54) of the games were won with stripes. For Bergman it was 60% (18 of 30), and for Deuel it was 42% (10 of 24).
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You know how many of those games were when he made two or more balls on the break vs making one stripe?

Edit: I mean making one of each
2nd Edit: think I read this wrong. Was assuming off the break
 
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Hey AtLarge Double J is using your stats on the broadcast and he did give you credit. Thanks for always keeping them.

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