Stroke! Wonder How to get their fantastic Strokes?

Michael Andros said:
I have a pretty good stroke and I *still* can't hit the end rail.
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I'm with ya! My stroke is ok but still can't find the rail.

There are some people that live in my area that say all kinds of chit online.... lol.....when in reality, they can't nor ever could come even close to doing what they say they can/could do.

Ahhhhhh, like "Slick Phillips"....(RIP), use to say. Hey Jeff, see that tall skinny kid over there? He can't make a ball but, lol.... he "thinks" he can.

That sort of tall but thin kid was someone that I didn't remember until recently.

Some people are just not very memorable...lol....or some chit like that...

I fall in that category for sure. Hell, I can't remember "me" half the time.
 
mikemosconi said:
It is the ESSENCE of a stroke! The way someone's cue stick accelerates, that is, the consistency of that acceleration speed from the beginning of the forward stroke UNTIL the cue stick passes completely AWAY from CONTACT with the cue ball defines the quality of one's billiard stroke. Hope this is a better explanation of the definition of a quality stroke.

MY point was that there is no one stroke method that is actually "better' than another, since many great pros demonstrate a variation of How they achieve the above quality stroke definition - but they all achieve it much more consistently than the average player.
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I have a teacher and personal friend that I see often that has a world class stroke. It's something to watch him stroke the ball. If you guys don't have someone like that to watch all the time, it might be hard to imagine. To me, it's like a gift like the guys on the PGA tour. Not everyone can have it.
 
Some people are born talented and get good really quick, largely because of their strokes. You can teach a person to stroke straight and with half decent control, but some people just have that little bit of extra smoothness and control, which ordinary mortals just cannot replicate, at least not as reliably. I know a guy that never practises, I mean really, he takes his cue out once or twice a year and is still a contender whenever he plays. Talent, great stroke.

I think if you wanted to try to duplicate the control of these people, I think knowledge of spin is the most valuable. Knowling at which speed the english grabs the rail in an optimal way, knowing just how much draw to put on a ball that's fairly close to the rail it's hitting to get perfect length of travel etc..These things are based on feel and instinct in the talented. Those without talent would need a lot of work to get close.

And if you're talking about people like Stephen Lee, then forget the whole thing. You can't teach that.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgq-fvQKt7Y&t=211s
 
jrctherake said:
I'm with ya! My stroke is ok but still can't find the rail.

There are some people that live in my area that say all kinds of chit online.... lol.....when in reality, they can't nor ever could come even close to doing what they say they can/could do.

Ahhhhhh, like "Slick Phillips"....(RIP), use to say. Hey Jeff, see that tall skinny kid over there? He can't make a ball but, lol.... he "thinks" he can.

That sort of tall but thin kid was someone that I didn't remember until recently.

Some people are just not very memorable...lol....or some chit like that...

I fall in that category for sure. Hell, I can't remember "me" half the time.
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Don't feel bad, J... I gotta look at my license every time I have to sign my name! :grin: :yeah:


And, ok... I lied about not hitting the end rail. I can hit it maybe 2 out of 10 times. So there's hope at least.
 
bbb said:
watch the second shot in this video
hows that for "force follow"?
just askin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqTlbCmDUmg
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He ain't fooling anyone. He's just got a new layered tip.

That's all it takes, layered tip and all that stuff is sssooool easy.

I would post a vid of me doing it but, I'm all out of layered tips.

It's the layered tips I tellya!!!!

Lol....that guy is amazing!

I've played billiards and 5hat stuff ain't as easy as some may think.

I know a couple people that say "yeah but, it's a heated table, superfast cloth...etc..etc". They, like ALOT of people, talk all kinds of chit until somebody.....just once....ask them to "show" something. Hell, anything!!!! but, nope all we hear a then are crickets.

Again, guy is freaking amazing. I love that game. I wish I could move the ball like that...wow, just wow!
 
ribdoner said:
what in the hell did i just see???
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He greased up the cue ball. It's a standard artistic billiards trick that's been around for a long time. The technique is very well known to people who attempt and watch artistic billiards. It still takes considerable skill but the shots are not beyond the good amateur.

In the official competition, the balls are not greased.
 
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Bob Jewett said:
He greased up the cue ball. It's a standard artistic billiards trick that's been around for a long time. The technique is very well known to people who attempt and watch artistic billiards. It still takes considerable skill but the shots are not beyond the good amateur.
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THANKS, i may be able to sleep tonight:smile:
 
Bob Jewett said:
He greased up the cue ball. It's a standard artistic billiards trick that's been around for a long time. The technique is very well known to people who attempt and watch artistic billiards. It still takes considerable skill but the shots are not beyond the good amateur.

In the official competition, the balls are not greased.
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bob
you got to admit
HE HIT IT GOOD !!!!!!!:)
 
Bob Jewett said:
He greased up the cue ball. It's a standard artistic billiards trick that's been around for a long time. The technique is very well known to people who attempt and watch artistic billiards. It still takes considerable skill but the shots are not beyond the good amateur.

In the official competition, the balls are not greased.
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these balls arent "greased"
the yellow goes 2 rails into the white
then goes forward to make the billiard......:eek:
https://www.facebook.com/paco.gonza...STEwMDAwODUzMTQ5MzgxMToyMDQyMDc1ODcyNzUzNDQz/
 
bbb said:
forget about the kick shot
watch the draw that comes next
does he have a stroke??
would a good shot to use as a parameter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVDrZK6VpuU
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We seem to have wandered far into the weeds with different videos. Maybe you should mention the shooter of each video you want to reference. I was only talking about the original with classical music playing in the background. That guy definitely greased the balls for the two-rail-first-follow-back. I think the second, much shorter two-rails-first shot is possible on new cloth without grease.

As for the Corey Deuel shot, yes, he got a lot of draw and remarkable action. Dr. Dave did an analysis. Corey can hit the ball harder and farther off center than the vast majority of pool players and more importantly he knows what shots are possible. But that draw surprised even Corey.
 
Bob Jewett said:
I think you need to experience balls that are waxed or rubbed with silicone lubricant. They don't behave normally. The "two rails first and follow back" shot cannot be made on standard equipment.
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I knew everything your saying but, I've played the game and he has a better than average stroke.

Then again, most 3C etc..etc players do have a better/stronger/straighter stroke than most pocket pool players. They have to as you know.
 
Bob Jewett said:
That distance was pretty standard for a guy at the pool hall I used to play at. You have to hit the ball low and hard. I think you will find the stroke shots of artistic billiards very interesting. But they don't require magic.
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18 diamonds of draw is REALLY easy on new cloth and balls.

Myself and a couple friends I play ever now and then, think 16 to 18 diamonds of draw is a good benchmark for a "decent" player.

A really strong stroker can get 3 to 5 more diamonds.....up and down as long as its quality equipment and in desired conditions.
 
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