There this thing called side spin

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GregH
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Because of my nature, I think about how a technique is applied. So, I wonder how people can use a cue to aim when appying oh, high inside spin on the CB. Or when you pivot a cue to get on the shot line. The shot line is nowhere the cue line is when applying high inside spin.

The cue is there for one thing only, putting the CB where you want and not aiming.
 
Because of my nature, I think about how a technique is applied. So, I wonder how people can use a cue to aim when appying oh, high inside spin on the CB. Or when you pivot a cue to get on the shot line. The shot line is nowhere the cue line is when applying high inside spin.

The cue is there for one thing only, putting the CB where you want and not aiming.

Great Post.
 
Because of my nature, I think about how a technique is applied. So, I wonder how people can use a cue to aim when appying oh, high inside spin on the CB. Or when you pivot a cue to get on the shot line. The shot line is nowhere the cue line is when applying high inside spin.

The cue is there for one thing only, putting the CB where you want and not aiming.
Oh boy. Here we go. Again. Let the flaming begin. ;)
 
Because of my nature, I think about how a technique is applied. So, I wonder how people can use a cue to aim when appying oh, high inside spin on the CB. Or when you pivot a cue to get on the shot line. The shot line is nowhere the cue line is when applying high inside spin.

The cue is there for one thing only, putting the CB where you want and not aiming.
What do you think “aiming” means?

When a rifle is angled slightly to compensate for crosswind is it still being used to aim or is it just “putting the bullet where you want”?

pj
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Because of my nature, I think about how a technique is applied. So, I wonder how people can use a cue to aim when appying oh, high inside spin on the CB. Or when you pivot a cue to get on the shot line. The shot line is nowhere the cue line is when applying high inside spin.

The cue is there for one thing only, putting the CB where you want and not aiming.
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aim
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verb
gerund or present participle: aiming

1.
point or direct (a weapon or camera OR CUE BALL USING A CUE STICK) at a target.
"aim the camcorder at some suitable object"
synonyms: point, direct, train, sight, focus, level, line up, position; turn something on someone
"he aimed the rifle"
NOTE I ADDED CUE STICK TO THE ABOVE
duckie putting the cue ball where you want IS aiming....:eek::eek::eek::eek:
 
Because of my nature, I think about how a technique is applied. So, I wonder how people can use a cue to aim when appying oh, high inside spin on the CB. Or when you pivot a cue to get on the shot line. The shot line is nowhere the cue line is when applying high inside spin.
The cue is there for one thing only, putting the CB where you want and not aiming.
"In reality, the world has paid too great a compliment to critics, and has imagined them to be persons of much greater profundity than they really are"..........Henry Fielding. :thumbup2:
 
Because of my nature, I think about how a technique is applied. So, I wonder how people can use a cue to aim when appying oh, high inside spin on the CB. Or when you pivot a cue to get on the shot line. The shot line is nowhere the cue line is when applying high inside spin.

The cue is there for one thing only, putting the CB where you want and not aiming.

Some will deny it to the death.
But, you will eventually have to visualize/estimate the throw and deflection.
Not to mention the swerve in slow rolls.

Heck, that varies from tip curvature to shaft's deflection characteristics.
 
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What do you think “aiming” means?

When a rifle is angled slightly to compensate for crosswind is it still being used to aim or is it just “putting the bullet where you want”?

pj
chgo

That would be applicable if the cue ball came out of your shaft.
It doesn't.
You're hitting a ball with it.

If your rifle had to push the bullet to the target, it would be different aiming way altogether.
 
That would be applicable if the cue ball came out of your shaft.
The shaft directs the CB to go in a certain direction like the rifle directs the bullet - and, like the rifle, the shaft has to be pointed in a precise direction to direct the CB accurately. I think aiming with the shaft is much like aiming with a rifle - my shaft and stroke are an essential part of my aiming visual.

pj
chgo
 
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A rifle either has iron sights or a scope for aiming. There is nothing like that on a cue.

Also the sights or scope are in the center line of the bore of the rifle. So, is the center line of the shaft used for aiming?

The sights or scope on a rifle are in line with one of the eyes line of sight.......not so when executing a pool shot.

You can’t aim the shaft of a cue anywhere near how you aim a rifle.
 
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This is a fun little drill. Put the CB and one OB on the table. Now go one or more rails to contact the OB.

Now there is not another ball to use as a reference to aim your cue.
 
A rifle either has iron sights or a scope for aiming. There is nothing like that on a cue.

Also the sights or scope are in the center line of the bore of the rifle. So, is the center line of the shaft used for aiming?

The sights or scope on a rifle are in line with one of the eyes line of sight.......not so when executing a pool shot.

You can’t aim the shaft of a cue anywhere near how you aim a rifle.
Specially if you use backhand english.
 
A rifle either has iron sights or a scope for aiming. There is nothing like that on a cue.

Also the sights or scope are in the center line of the bore of the rifle. So, is the center line of the shaft used for aiming?

The sights or scope on a rifle are in line with one of the eyes line of sight.......not so when executing a pool shot.

You can’t aim the shaft of a cue anywhere near how you aim a rifle.

Some rifles in the old times didn't have sights, you aimed along the barrel, using the top of the barrel as the reference. Some "modern" (comparatively speaking) shotguns have only a bead as a front sight. This would be the same principle. The top of the ferrule would be the front reference used on a pool cue. You'd aim it when it's stationary in the forward pause. Much like a rifle or shotgun or cannon of this type, you hold off for windage, with the pool cue you hold off when you use sidespin. Same general principle.

Also, some People do have their cue directly under one of their eyes. I have a friend that even closes one of his eyes when he shoots, much like a rifleman. Though this is not usually recommended he makes snooker centuries with alarming regularity.
 
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This is a fun little drill. Put the CB and one OB on the table. Now go one or more rails to contact the OB.

Now there is not another ball to use as a reference to aim your cue.

You can point Your cue directly to the Diamonds, or hold off however much is needed. If the table has no Diamonds, point Your cue while standing up, until it looks like the rebound angle would be ideal. Now observe where Your cue is pointed. Select a point on the wall or in the background that is an extension of the line formed by the cue. Then aim the top of the ferrule at that while down over the cue.
 
You can point Your cue directly to the Diamonds, or hold off however much is needed. If the table has no Diamonds, point Your cue while standing up, until it looks like the rebound angle would be ideal. Now observe where Your cue is pointed. Select a point on the wall or in the background that is an extension of the line formed by the cue. Then aim the top of the ferrule at that while down over the cue.
Old, old, scam.
In the older poolrooms, back in the stone ages, on certain action tables we'd fool around with the tables and practice exactly where you had to hit on the rail to take the cue ball around 3 rails, or 2 rails to various pockets. (different tables play 'long' or 'short')
Then we'd stick thumbtacks in the walls congruent to the shot lines. All you had to do was aim the cuestick like a rifle at the thumbtacks from various locations and you had a tremendous aid at hitting the object ball when kicking after a hook. Slight adjustments were simple if you were not exactly on the tracking line.
One pocket players would do it for the long banks.
Everybody was always looking for an edge.
Nowadays, I think they just use a magic marker to make a small dot on the wall. (magic markers didn't exist back then...although pencils did. Anything like that will work)
 
My opinion that the cue is not for aiming but moving the CB around is based from my expernces from hours upon hours upon hours at the table shooting all kind of shots from all kinds of positions.

Therefore I think it’s useless for anyone learning the game to try to do so. As others, have ideas on how to help people learn, so do I, but mine are based on my beliefs and ideas from long hours at the table.

Of course,I’ll get shit for it cause my concepts don’t fit in in with the traditional concepts of playing pool. But so what........to get to the next level requires making pool yours and not someone’s else’s.

Like, the word aiming is used a lot when there is no way to aim the cue stick to anything nor a way to aim balls.

None.

I’ve learned, from hours upon hours upon hours at the table to see shots. To see where balls are going.

There are no shortcuts to playing high level pool......it takes hours upon hours upon hours of table time regardless of ones methodology used to play pool. But it helps to use a methodology that suits you and not try to use one that doesn’t fit you.

Meaning just because someone implies you can aim with a cue stick doesn’t mean all must aim with a cue stick.
 
My opinion that the cue is not for aiming but moving the CB around is based from my expernces from hours upon hours upon hours at the table shooting all kind of shots from all kinds of positions.
Therefore I think it’s useless for anyone learning the game to try to do so. As others, have ideas on how to help people learn, so do I, but mine are based on my beliefs and ideas from long hours at the table.
Of course,I’ll get shit for it cause my concepts don’t fit in in with the traditional concepts of playing pool. But so what........to get to the next level requires making pool yours and not someone’s else’s.

None.
I’ve learned, from hours upon hours upon hours at the table to see shots. To see where balls are going.
There are no shortcuts to playing high level pool......it takes hours upon hours upon hours of table time regardless of ones methodology used to play pool. But it helps to use a methodology that suits you and not try to use one that doesn’t fit you.
Meaning just because someone implies you can aim with a cue stick doesn’t mean all must aim with a cue stick.
Duckie you're rambling and not remaining consistent.
In one area you say "But so what........to get to the next level requires making pool yours and not someone’s else’s"
So what if an individual decides to take his/her game to a higher level and accomplishes that by aiming with the pool stick and making the game "theirs" that way...which you say cannot be done, your words: "Like, the word aiming is used a lot when there is no way to aim the cue stick to anything nor a way to aim balls."
SVB says he uses the edge of the ferrule for aiming purposes...is he crazy?
Buddy Hall said he used the "split the difference method" by splitting the difference on the object ball and pivoting into center ball....is he crazy?
Willie Mosconi, in one of his books, had someone write: "all shots can be figured mathmatically so let's leave nothing to chance" (and then had diagrams of fractional hits)....were they crazy?
Lassiter had a line drawn on his ferrule and he used that to aim to the various fractional points..was he crazy?
Brian Crist has written a book called "Poolology" with various methods of aiming at fractional spots using some basic math and many people say it works very well for them...is he crazy?
CJ Wiley has a method of aiming called "Touch of Inside"....many players swear by it. Are they all crazy??
And finally, we have the Stan Shuffett method of CTE which, to my knowledge, is catching on right and left with real hitters.....are they crazy too?
And then finally you say, your words: "But it helps to use a methodology that suits you and not try to use one that doesn’t fit you"
That final statement, which I have put in blue letters, is all that any CTE user has ever stated (I cannot speak for the other methods because the one that works (CTE) is good enough for me).
If anybody wants to just use your method of "seeing the balls" that is perfectly okay with any CTE user that I know. Do not buy into any other method, do not buy any CTE materials, accept none of it as methods that suit you. Very simple to do.
My beef with some people in this forum is the constant trashing of Stan Shuffett and his refined method of aiming as some kind of swindle, snake oil, horsedung, and bullfeathers. Those (many who profess to be just so open minded and interested in calm civil debate) have done this for years and years and years.)
When all they had to do was just live and let live....and go their merry way.
 
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My opinion that the cue is not for aiming but moving the CB around is based from my expernces from hours upon hours upon hours at the table shooting all kind of shots from all kinds of positions.

Therefore I think it’s useless for anyone learning the game to try to do so. As others, have ideas on how to help people learn, so do I, but mine are based on my beliefs and ideas from long hours at the table.

Of course,I’ll get shit for it cause my concepts don’t fit in in with the traditional concepts of playing pool. But so what........to get to the next level requires making pool yours and not someone’s else’s.

Like, the word aiming is used a lot when there is no way to aim the cue stick to anything nor a way to aim balls.

None.

I’ve learned, from hours upon hours upon hours at the table to see shots. To see where balls are going.

There are no shortcuts to playing high level pool......it takes hours upon hours upon hours of table time regardless of ones methodology used to play pool. But it helps to use a methodology that suits you and not try to use one that doesn’t fit you.

Meaning just because someone implies you can aim with a cue stick doesn’t mean all must aim with a cue stick.
But... but... you're not really a duck!

pj
chgo
 
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