I tried CTE again

BC21 said:
In other words....no one can actually read anyone's mind, but understanding how the mind works is a whole different ball game.
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Not to get off the topic, but this is actually not true at all. Not only are there techniques that have been developed to do a "deep mind probe" of what someone is thinking, but the military teams that work with these techniques can even "remotely influence" other people's minds (namely, world leaders if not protected).

But I do understand that each person can only speak about what they believe to be true. Carry on.


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So, let’s applied a standard required of CTE supporters......

If I state that I use only GhostBall Paths for aiming, can you prove I don’t?
 
sixpack said:
tl;dr; I used CTESP at leagues and made every ball but had trouble with position play.

I don't use CTE when I compete. I practice with it though. So inspired by your post this week at leagues I decided to use it exclusively. Again, this is the sixpack version because I don't want to claim to understand all the nuances of the official version of CTE.

I went 2-2. I think if I was using my normal aiming practices - which involve a lot of elements from different systems - I would have won all 4.

I remembered why I don't use it much when I compete. I made every shot I looked at. But because the balls go in differently my position play was off. So I kept hooking myself playing bar table 8-ball. I know I'm not expressing that very well, but it's like I'm used to cheating the pocket a little on some shots to get the position I want. Playing with the pivot I was making everything basically in the center of the pocket. So my CB was running too far or not running enough. Sometimes tangent lines weren't what I expected. Because the lines & pivot are a proxy for aiming instead of just aiming, for me, there is less of a connection between the cue, CB and OB and myself so I don't see and feel the shot as intimately as when I'm aiming and visualizing how I want the CB to behave before and after the shot.

Also, I think when you pivot it's easy to not get back exactly to center ball so you can impart a little sidespin you are not expecting. That's why it takes time and practice to master it.

To make balls with CTE is relatively easy, but the time and work to really transition to it comes from figuring out how to adjust slightly to cheat the pocket to get position and get used to how the CB will react in different scenarios and shots so that you can build up that vision and connection with the shot.

To Dan White: I never consciously adjusted or allowed for contact induced throw and shot balls at all different speeds. I can't think of a single makable shot that I missed.
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With mixed bag of aiming tools, do you usually use english to play position? I ask because more than likely your position play that league night wasn't off because every object ball hit center pocket. I'm sure some went center, and others went left or right of center, using the entire pocket as each perception/pivot combination reaches its "limitations" (as Mohrt once put it) before a thinner or thicker perception/pivot is needed.

Nevertheless, as long as the balls hit the pocket that's the goal. Try incorporating a little BHE once you have your final ccb alignment (post pivot). You might just lock onto something that'll catapult your game to another level.
 
Get_A_Grip said:
Not to get off the topic, but this is actually not true at all. Not only are there techniques that have been developed to do a "deep mind probe" of what someone is thinking, but the military teams that work with these techniques can even "remotely influence" other people's minds (namely, world leaders if not protected).

But I do understand that each person can only speak about what they believe to be true. Carry on.


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Interesting topic for a different forum. Anyway, I've read quite a bit about probing the brain to gather certain data and to influence certain behavior, but the process can't provide details perraining to exactly what the individual is thinking about or imagining in their minds eye. Very cool topic though.
 
BC21 said:
With mixed bag of aiming tools, do you usually use english to play position? I ask because more than likely your position play that league night wasn't off because every object ball hit center pocket. I'm sure some went center, and others went left or right of center, using the entire pocket as each perception/pivot combination reaches its "limitations" (as Mohrt once put it) before a thinner or thicker perception/pivot is needed.

Nevertheless, as long as the balls hit the pocket that's the goal. Try incorporating a little BHE once you have your final ccb alignment (post pivot). You might just lock onto something that'll catapult your game to another level.
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I use BHE with CTE. I normally use vertical center for position as much as I can but I have no trouble using english. The problem was speed control. Maybe not every ball hit center pocket but there is definitely a difference between where they go in with CTE vs. with my normal aiming.

Because I wasn't adjusting and I'm not tuned in to CTE I wasn't relying on how correct the aiming looked. I was getting my alignment, pivoting and shooting. I was applying BHE if I was using english after the pivot. (except for a few times where it really, really looked off and I started over) So I didn't really have a good feel for what part of the pocket the ball was going into. As I know you know, hitting a ball into the face of the pocket vs. the center of the pocket on some shots makes the CB travel an extra 3 feet. Sometimes even more.

My whole point was that it takes time to become that connected to a different system and I haven't put the time into CTE yet. Same thing with Poolology. Although poolology is easier to adjust to because you are still using a perception that is straight down the cue so it's easy to see where/how you are hitting it and adjust slightly for the position play you need.
 
sixpack said:
To Dan White: I never consciously adjusted or allowed for contact induced throw and shot balls at all different speeds. I can't think of a single makable shot that I missed.
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I have a response but I'm wondering what the dimension of the "8 ball bar table" is and the pocket size.
 
Dan White said:
I have a response but I'm wondering what the dimension of the "8 ball bar table" is and the pocket size.
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7' diamond pro.

I am sure throw was a factor but I didn't consciously account for it and it didn't seem to affect much.
 
sixpack said:
7' diamond pro.

I am sure throw was a factor but I didn't consciously account for it and it didn't seem to affect much.
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I'm sure the small table size helps, but then again if the pockets are very tight then that goes the other way. The way I see it, there are many versions of CTE. One good player in the AZ forums uses "his" CTE and swears by it. His method uses contact points as part of the process as well as pivots, of course. He said he has trouble when aiming off the edge of the ob so he uses this CTE method. He added that if he didn't have that problem then there would be no need for the method he uses. He learned from Hal Houle.

So whatever system you use, it works for you. I'm pretty sure that if you described the steps you use that it would not violate the laws of physics.
 
BeiberLvr said:
At league right now practicing. Decided to give it a try again

Ran a 22. My high run is 36

Broke and ran my first rack of 9 ball

Feels good

I’ll use it in my match if I have to play.



*this in no way changed my opinion that the subconscious is a big reason it works. But I do believe with practice it could be a good PSR

if that’s GFM so be it
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Yeah me to, just getting back into CTE after quite a while away from it. Been at it for about two weeks now.

What encouraged me to try it again was this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1zn2xcWSKw

What I do now is I put my bridge hand "V" down (I use an open bridge) on the Q ball edge to whatever A, B, C or edge
and pivot the cue to center cue ball. I'm getting pretty good at doing this from the standing position while going down on the shot to center cue ball. The important thing is for me is to align my body in a way that allows me to see both lines at the same time and just fall down onto the shot line with an air pivot..

What this guy demonstrates may not be as Stan teaches but it works for me. Having fun with this at this time.

Later.

John :)
 
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Koop said:
Who gives a shit what you do?
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Evidently, you do, or you would not have made a post.

It just amazing so many people think they know what others are thinking, how their minds work.........all based on speculations and assumptions.

All in a effort to make them look as if they are know what is truly going on but in reality are basically talking out their ass like you.
 
I wonder how many would accept someone telling them that they are not aiming the way they explain they are aiming?

That they don’t know what they are really doing?

You state you use xyz method, but they insist you really are using abc in your mind, you just don’t know it.

Me.....I’d tell’em to kiss my ass.
 
duckie said:
I wonder how many would accept someone telling them that they are not aiming the way they explain they are aiming?

That they don’t know what they are really doing?

You state you use xyz method, but they insist you really are using abc in your mind, you just don’t know it.

Me.....I’d tell’em to kiss my ass.
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I'd say only you know how you are aiming. I would never assume to know how someone else sees and thinks while aiming. However, having a very good understanding of how the brain stores, organizes, and manipulates data, so I know there are subconscious shortcuts taking place without us realizing it, things like shot recognition, just knowing where the cb needs to be and putting it there.
 
BC21 said:
With mixed bag of aiming tools, do you usually use english to play position? I ask because more than likely your position play that league night wasn't off because every object ball hit center pocket. I'm sure some went center, and others went left or right of center, using the entire pocket as each perception/pivot combination reaches its "limitations" (as Mohrt once put it) before a thinner or thicker perception/pivot is needed.

Nevertheless, as long as the balls hit the pocket that's the goal. Try incorporating a little BHE once you have your final ccb alignment (post pivot). You might just lock onto something that'll catapult your game to another level.
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A quibble:

Hitting the pocket is only part of the goal. Hitting the pocket and positioning the CB where desired is also the part of the goal. I have experimented with many PSRs and found some that work well strictly for pocketing balls. But a PSR that sets you up to pockets the ball and makes the CB behave the way you expect it to behave is much tougher to find. But you gotta have Part A and Part B.

Lou Figueroa
 
sixpack said:
7' diamond pro.

I am sure throw was a factor but I didn't consciously account for it and it didn't seem to affect much.
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You're not consciously allowing for it but subconsciously you must.

I don't factor it in either. But when I'm looking at a shot I believe my wetware is factoring in the cut angle, and throw, and swerve, and squirt, and shot speed, and english I'm going to use, and the condition of the cloth, and how the rails are behaving, and the size of the pockets.

I have to consciously think about some factors, like choosing how I'm going to come off a rail for position, or choosing one of many options I might have to shoot a bank shot. But most of it is being processed automatically based upon years of playing and the hundreds of thousands of shots I've seen and shot.

Lou Figueroa
 
lfigueroa said:
A quibble:

Hitting the pocket is only part of the goal. Hitting the pocket and positioning the CB where desired is also the part of the goal. I have experimented with many PSRs and found some that work well strictly for pocketing balls. But a PSR that sets you up to pockets the ball and makes the CB behave the way you expect it to behave is much tougher to find. But you gotta have Part A and Part B.

Lou Figueroa
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Agreed. I was specifically talking about the aiming process, Part A only (pocketing balls), where the goal is to send the ob into the pocket. Of course pool requires more than this -- Part B, moving the cb from one shot to the next. Keeping Part A working well and successfully incorporating Part B is the nuts.
 
lfigueroa said:
You're not consciously allowing for it but subconsciously you must.

I don't factor it in either. But when I'm looking at a shot I believe my wetware is factoring in the cut angle, and throw, and swerve, and squirt, and shot speed, and english I'm going to use, and the condition of the cloth, and how the rails are behaving, and the size of the pockets.

I have to consciously think about some factors, like choosing how I'm going to come off a rail for position, or choosing one of many options I might have to shoot a bank shot. But most of it is being processed automatically based upon years of playing and the hundreds of thousands of shots I've seen and shot.

Lou Figueroa
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I know how I compensate for it when I aim normally. Using CTE I’m not sure. Could be subconsciously.
 
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