Yes sir but this is a CTE thread, not Ghost Ball.
you are a pro1 user?
Yes sir but this is a CTE thread, not Ghost Ball.
you are a pro1 user?
No sir. But you mentioned "CB - OB - POCKET" and that is classic ghost ball.
I personally don't need "Pro1 Visuals" to get me there. But I do lurk here and am curious.
I appreciate your curiosity with PRO ONE. I was curious once many moons ago.
Very good diagram. An issue that I do see is...how are you going to account for CIT.
Additionally, while competing how do know your lines for the following extended shots?
Cross corner bank
Two rails cross corner
Three rails in the side
Three rails in the corner
A master PRO ONE player can immediately align for any of those banks with precision aim lines.
Thank you for your input.
Stan Shuffett
Assuming those are the last 2 balls on the table, a little top and a little speed will negate any cut induced throw. I could also use a touch of right English to achieve the same as long as I was cautious of the scratch in the side.
The cross bank and the three rails in the corner are more my shots. The 3 rails in the side and 2 rails cross corner, while I can get em close with an occasional make, are low percentage shots for me. Safety time.
Assuming those are the last 2 balls on the table, a little top and a little speed will negate any cut induced throw. I could also use a touch of right English to achieve the same as long as I was cautious of the scratch in the side.
The cross bank and the three rails in the corner are more my shots. The 3 rails in the side and 2 rails cross corner, while I can get em close with an occasional make, are low percentage shots for me. Safety time.
They are low percentage for everyone. Even the best bankers in the world typically make 1 out 3.
Point being, ‘tis more desirable to have precision aim lines verses not having them.
Stan Shuffett
Knowing the shot like the back of your hand helps too. Regardless, even for you, a master Pro1 user and very experienced banker, the 3 rail bank in the side is low percentage, 1 out of 3 at best. Sure, we could put donuts out and shoot the exact shot enough times to start making it every other time. But to step right up in a game situation, where you have one attempt to make the shot.... it's low percentage despite aiming method.
A master banker will make more than 1 out of 3, perhaps not two. Billy Thorpe would eat you alive at 3 to 1 on the money.
With a zillion possible shots on a table, there’s no way to know them all like the back of your hand.
PRO ONE essentially reduces all banks to one of three aim lines.
Stan Shuffett
That's awesome. But seriously, there are are a zillion shots. I believe I read somewhere years ago that a mathematician estimates that there are around 30,000. Lol. Still, too many to memorize. And even with Pro1 the player needs speed and spin. A player like Billy Thorpe just sees the angles to make shots happen, like most players.
Place the CB anywhere. Then move an OB one tick at a time to cover every thread of cloth on the table. The move the CB by one tick and start all over again. It’d be about like counting all of the stars. Ain’t gonna happen. 30,000 wont scratch of the surface of possible CB OB relationships that can be identified on a table.
Stan Shuffett
That's awesome. But seriously, there aren't a zillion shots. I believe I read somewhere years ago that a mathematician estimates that there are around 30,000. Lol. Still, too many to memorize. And even with Pro1 the player needs speed and spin. A player like Billy Thorpe just sees the angles to make shots happen, like most players.
That's a bit extreme and unnecessary. The same aim reference can be used to pocket balls with slight variations in ball placement. Once you've moved the balls far enough out line then another aim reference can be used.
Anyhow, I didn't come up the 30,000 figure. A mathematician did. It wasn't made up by a non-math person, so I'd consider it more accurate than a "zillion".
Einstein say there were over 6 Million possible shots on a pool table, i remember reading that on this board years ago...i dunno if he really said it?
Every tick means something in CTE whether it’s 1 of 360 ticks on an OB or 1 of 360 ticks on a cue ball......and every refined possible placement of a CB OB on a 5,000 sq. inch surface matters as well.
Stan Shuffett
But you can only see and use the visible 178 or so degree portion of the cb and ob, not 360°.
But I do find it interesting that you can visualize a "tick" from A or B or whatever, but you say a fractional user can't accurately visualize a fractional aim point to the nearest 1/16 or 1/32 of a ball. A "tick" is 0.5mm across the surace of the ball, while a 1/32 fractional aim is about 2mm wide (1.8). So you can accurately see a 0.5mm difference in an aiming reference but doubt that any fractional user can see a 2mm aiming difference on the ball?
Nevermind. I don't have the patience to go back and forth over this stuff. If you think there are a zillion shots on the table, and Einstein thought there were 6 million, and some mathematician calculated a number near 30,000, it makes no difference. Believe what you want.
The CB/OB can be located at thousands of places on the table, but that doesn’t mean that many different CB/OB alignments are needed.The same aim reference can be used to pocket balls with slight variations in ball placement. Once you've moved the balls far enough out line then another aim reference can be used.
But you can only see and use the visible 178 or so degree portion of the cb and ob, not 360°.
But I do find it interesting that you can visualize a "tick" from A or B or whatever, but you say a fractional user can't accurately visualize a fractional aim point to the nearest 1/16 or 1/32 of a ball. A "tick" is 0.5mm across the surace of the ball, while a 1/32 fractional aim is about 2mm wide (1.8). So you can accurately see a 0.5mm difference in an aiming reference but doubt that any fractional user can see a 2mm aiming difference on the ball?
Nevermind. I don't have the patience to go back and forth over this stuff. If you think there are a zillion shots on the table, and Einstein thought there were 6 million, and some mathematician calculated a number near 30,000, it makes no difference. Believe what you want.
The CB/OB can be located at thousands of places on the table, but that doesn’t mean that many different CB/OB alignments are needed.
With pocket slop it takes only 20-25 CB/OB alignments to make a spot shot from every possible angle - fewer for closer shots, more for longer ones. The longest possible shot into the smallest pocket needs less than 100 alignments to be made from any CB location.
Even so, no system defines that many CB/OB alignments “objectively”. Except for the closest shots, there are always needed alignments that fall between the relatively few system-defined alignments and need player judgment.
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