I have a couple more questions if you'd fill out the diagram I posted. Maybe Dave could...1 of you guys would be best though.
CTE Does NOT Work - It Did For One Pro
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I have a couple more questions if you'd fill out the diagram I posted. Maybe Dave could...1 of you guys would be best though.
This is a dead end road. You don’t even use what you prescribe for aiming and you can’t explain what you’re doing when you’re not consciously crippled by trying to to identify a fractional line that ultimately needs tweaking or adjusting. Why? Because you’re offset away from center, too, when you are really playing.
Go down fighting with center cue ball. I’ll do what the pros are doing, aligning one of two cue ball edges to one of three OB targets......whether they can explain it or not.
Stan Shuffett
What i notice in that drill is the kid has a nice stroke,lol. What i also see is that he doesn't walk around the shot to look for a contact point. Appears he is just looking at the CB and OB relationship to determine his aim.
I can do better than a written description. Here is a prime example of what most pro players are doing, as well as most amateur players. But of course pros have much more experience doing it so they are much better at it.
Notice the eye movement once the player is down on the cb. This is what it looks like when a player is dialing into the shot line, visualizing the path from cb to ob, ensuring that everything looks and feels lined up correctly before stroking the cb.
https://youtu.be/PcjsMXGk1RE?t=1m25s
Honestly, whether or not a player arrives on the shot line through a method of using two or three visuals followed by a sweep/pivot, or through simply looking at the shot and recognizing where the cb must be in order to pocket the ball, dialing into that final line is the key.
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You believe you know it.
Especially if you confuse believing with knowing.
pj
chgo
Yeah, he is something else. Has a great eye for the shots. That's why I say it looks like he's a ghostball user. He just recognizes where the cb needs to be. Then gets behind the cb and dials into the line to send it there. You can watch a match between him and Tyler Styer and easily see two examples of aiming methods, both very effective.
I’ve shared plenty here concerning CTE and what I know.
Name one real piece of info that you have shared other than to just nitpick saying that I don’t know this or that, and I just believe.
What do you REALLY know about the nuts and bolts of CTE? Not much of nothing.
I can answer that for you, though,....CTE is a fractional system that uses quarter system lines to make adjustments. [DEAD WRONG]
You’d be lucky if you possessed 5% of the knowledge that I have about CTE. Yet, I only believe and you know LOL..... I’d kill you in any kind of debate at a table on CTE.
Stan Shuffett
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James picks up his aiming info while standing at an offset to center. He VISUALLY sweeps into every shot line. There’s no way he’s using ghost ball. LOL
Stan Shuffett
I don't see any indications of GB at all. I see a guy looking only at a CB-OB relationship
I understand where you're coming from, but I respectfully disagree.
You are so programmed through thousands of hours of working with CTE that you want to believe every great player must be doing exactly what you've discovered, or what Hal discovered. I agree that some players probably do view the cb-ob relationship from an offset. But I don't believe it's always an exact half tip offset or exactly based on a perception extracted from the same visuals you've been developing for the last 2 decades.
The most logical and simplest explanation is the fact that a great player builds a very thorough data bank of shots through countless hours of repetition. They simply learn to recognize the shot line as soon as they see the cb-ob relationship. There is no need to stand in a certain place in order to gather a unique perception that will lead them to the shot line. They already see the shot line, it's not something that needs solved. And just like you when you sweep or pivot onto a shot, their eyes bouce back and forth from cb to ob, ensuring that everything matches up in accordance with their experience for that particular shot.
Most players look at the ob last, the destination for the cb at contact, and so do you. But I did find it interesting that Gerda said she has always looked at the cb last for most shots, once she felt locked into the shot line. Allison looks at the ob last, and she was a bit surprised at Gerda's response to that.
Three Aim lines can handle most every CB OB relationship.
Pros do NOT use ghost ball, contact points, or fractions.
A half tip pivot can be used over and over and over.
What pros look at last is immaterial.
Stan Shuffett
That's the beauty of observation.... we can each pretend or think or wish whatever we want. You see a guy looking at cb-ob relationships, I see a guy looking just looking at where the ob is on on the table and then automatically knowing where to put the cb in order to pocket that ob. It very easily be ghostball or fractions. It's called rote. So whatever he's doing is something he's developed through repetition and experience.
I doesn't matter, the kid hits em like a machine with very minimal effort or conscious alignment. The well trained mind is a beautiful thing. Most of us only play like that on those rare occasions where we quit trying so hard and end up playing in the "zone" for a while.
But they DO use CTE?
What's the objective evidence for either of these beliefs?
pj
chgo
Ok. You're the instructor, the authority.
It's sort of like when the Roman Catholic Church kept sticking with their teaching that the earth was the center of the universe and everything in the heavens revolved around it. Any naysayers were banished or silenced forever on grounds of blasphemy. The church feared that if people knew they were wrong about that, they just might be wrong about other beliefs as well, and that would damage faith in in the church and religion.
Eventually they had to acknowledge their incorrect teaching, and they found that it didn't ruin peoples faith in religion after after all.
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IMO the player would look at the OB straight into the pocket, similar to the contact point method, to determine the GB position and proceed from there. Never really used GB so i could be wrong.
Sounds like we both see a guy looking at the CB-OB relationship. It appears he is not even taking the pocket into consideration although we all know that's not true. The pocket is in his peripheral vision and he knows exactly where it is.
All top players and even lesser players like you can be observed as aligning to an offset away from center. In order to truly use ghost ball and other conventional approaches, one’s vision center must be positioned behind the center of the cue ball.
Plus:
Ghost balls are invisible and can’t be seen.
Contact points are too small to be seen.
Angles can’t be seen.
Pros align 3 aim lines over and over and over. That can only be done from an offset. Can’t happen from behind CCB.
Stan Shuffett
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I fail to see the value in posts like this.
I have to agree with Stan on this, about pros not using ghostball or contact points or fractions. They may've learned by consciously using those methods for each shot in the beginning, but after a few thousand shots and a few thousand hours of table time, they more than likely moved into the realm of a more subconscious method where they just recognize the majority of shots without having to consciously apply the ghostball or contact point or fractional method. They see the cb-ob relationship and know the shot automatically. Of course, on occasion, you'll see them specifically looking at the contact point or ghostball location on some shots.