Coring challenge......to myself!

Michael Webb

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Ever get an idea and just couldn't let it go.
Full length core with an -A- joint.
The blank is Laminated Birch. I don't know if it's offered anymore.
Why not? No logical reason why not, but I do like seasoned maple cores.
So.........off we go.
I only use slow drying epoxy with an additive for coring.
 

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Plugged one end and filled it with epoxy. Also pre coated the dowell and start pressing it in.
Fun stuff.
More to come down the road.
 
Did you need the weight at the A joint is that why you put the screw in there?
Hi John
The thought of an -A- joint in a Full length coring dowell has always been an interest. Especially for balance. I can put the splice anywhere I choose it to be. Especially if I ever decide to use these very old, oversized full spliced blanks.
Hmmmm
Think about a full splice cue. That will remain full spliced but with a controllable balance point and added stability.
Sought of peaks my interest.
 
I love your thought for ballance point in one piece butt and full splice construction. Ingenious
 
since coming on azb and learning about coring FS butts or at least the parts before splice, ive started to accumulate the tooling components. Not sure it is necessary for the way wood is selected for current builds. However it could add some insurance. Even better, open up options for more interesting or difficult feature wood. This past summer i bought some 30”+ length gun drills with that in mind.

Unfortunately, work on the house & pool table restoration ever since have precluded time in the machine shop/cue experiments.

Are you rotating both components? Drill & butt? Or only butt?
is there any taper, or is it straight bore?

My set up will have to be on the planer (as is most of my cue work). I have assumed one of the usual Hardinge work heads & steady on the table to hold the work. Have imagined whether mounting another to the toolslide with power for the drill would be an advantage or not. Also mused whether there would be any advantage to mounting the table rig on a shotpin table or rotary table so it could be bored from both ends. Like a horizontal boring mill.

Always admire the work and insights you post.
Thanks for any further information on your current experiments.

smt
 
Hi John
The thought of an -A- joint in a Full length coring dowell has always been an interest. Especially for balance. I can put the splice anywhere I choose it to be. Especially if I ever decide to use these very old, oversized full spliced blanks.
Hmmmm
Think about a full splice cue. That will remain full spliced but with a controllable balance point and added stability.
Sought of peaks my interest.
I built a cue with a similar strategy and was pretty happy with the result. One of my buddies showed up here with a shaft all by itself and a 36 inch piece of western maple burl and asked me if I could build him a butt to match his shaft. I told him his wood was too soft and light so we would have to do something. I decided I didn't want to cut it up as it was old and really straight and pretty so I cored it first from the butt end as deep as my .775" gun drill would go, 16 inches and pushed a PH dowel in to a dead head which forced a lot of epoxy out of the wood. This maple absorbed over an ounce of epoxy on the butt coring. Then when it cured I drilled it again from the joint end as deep as my .691" drill would go, 16" which put the smaller core about 4 inches into the larger one. I tapered the end to match the gun drill contour to try to avoid air space where the cores joined. Then I again pushed a core in to a dead head, this time lignum vitae to give it some front weight. Again this soft maple absorbed a bunch of epoxy. When it was all said and done I had a butt that weighed 15 oz and change starting with wood that weighed 30 lbs a cubic foot or less. After I cut it down to final size it was basically epoxy resin impregnated from within.

Just how concentric the guts of this cue are at the A joint with the two dowels and the outer wood I'm afraid will never be known without cutting it up. I like to pretend in my delusional mind it's fairly straight in there. :) But it was a fun project.

Your metal joint in the dowel takes it to the next level, although I would probably just outsmart myself like I usually do with weight and balance schemes.

Anyway that was a while back I saw that cue the other day it's still straight and looking good. It's actually a visually stunning piece of wood. And it did indeed match his shaft. Doesn't hit too bad either.

Here it is

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I built a cue with a similar strategy and was pretty happy with the result. One of my buddies showed up here with a shaft all by itself and a 36 inch piece of western maple burl and asked me if I could build him a butt to match his shaft. I told him his wood was too soft and light so we would have to do something. I decided I didn't want to cut it up as it was old and really straight and pretty so I cored it first from the butt end as deep as my .775" gun drill would go, 16 inches and pushed a PH dowel in to a dead head which forced a lot of epoxy out of the wood. This maple absorbed over an ounce of epoxy on the butt coring. Then when it cured I drilled it again from the joint end as deep as my .691" drill would go, 16" which put the smaller core about 4 inches into the larger one. I tapered the end to match the gun drill contour to try to avoid air space where the cores joined. Then I again pushed a core in to a dead head, this time lignum vitae to give it some front weight. Again this soft maple absorbed a bunch of epoxy. When it was all said and done I had a butt that weighed 15 oz and change starting with wood that weighed 30 lbs a cubic foot or less. After I cut it down to final size it was basically epoxy resin impregnated from within.

Just how concentric the guts of this cue are at the A joint with the two dowels and the outer wood I'm afraid will never be known without cutting it up. I like to pretend in my delusional mind it's fairly straight in there. :) But it was a fun project.

Your metal joint in the dowel takes it to the next level, although I would probably just outsmart myself like I usually do with weight and balance schemes.

Anyway that was a while back I saw that cue the other day it's still straight and looking good. It's actually a visually stunning piece of wood. And it did indeed match his shaft. Doesn't hit too bad either.

Here it is

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Awesome. Thank you for sharing.
 
since coming on azb and learning about coring FS butts or at least the parts before splice, ive started to accumulate the tooling components. Not sure it is necessary for the way wood is selected for current builds. However it could add some insurance. Even better, open up options for more interesting or difficult feature wood. This past summer i bought some 30”+ length gun drills with that in mind.

Unfortunately, work on the house & pool table restoration ever since have precluded time in the machine shop/cue experiments.

Are you rotating both components? Drill & butt? Or only butt?
is there any taper, or is it straight bore?

My set up will have to be on the planer (as is most of my cue work). I have assumed one of the usual Hardinge work heads & steady on the table to hold the work. Have imagined whether mounting another to the toolslide with power for the drill would be an advantage or not. Also mused whether there would be any advantage to mounting the table rig on a shotpin table or rotary table so it could be bored from both ends. Like a horizontal boring mill.

Always admire the work and insights you post.
Thanks for any further information on your current experiments.

smt
Thank you.
There are a few different ways of doing this. You have to try and see what works for you.
 
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Great idea to eliminate the limited control over a really important element in a cue's feedback to the user. I've seen a lot of folks seem awfully put off at the thought of cutting an old Titlist, for instance, to install a handle and A joint. Not doing so limits control over the end product of conversion, at least in my opinion. Each their own, of course. Some really high priced makers routinely produce butts ranging in the 16+ range, and then marry them to 3.3 - 3.4 oz shafts to achieve a widely acceptable playing weight for today's fast equipment. That's a much too rear weighted config for my tastes.
Best in following up on that thinking.
 
Great idea to eliminate the limited control over a really important element in a cue's feedback to the user. I've seen a lot of folks seem awfully put off at the thought of cutting an old Titlist, for instance, to install a handle and A joint. Not doing so limits control over the end product of conversion, at least in my opinion. Each their own, of course. Some really high priced makers routinely produce butts ranging in the 16+ range, and then marry them to 3.3 - 3.4 oz shafts to achieve a widely acceptable playing weight for today's fast equipment. That's a much too rear weighted config for my tastes.
Best in following up on that thinking.
Good post Mr. Davis
Tap tap
 
Leave it to Mike to figure out a better way to core a cue. Ya know, drill hole-insert dowel. The adjustable weight and balance point is just simple genius. The best kind!
Pretty soon people will be X raying your cues to see what other hidden gems there may be.
 
Leave it to Mike to figure out a better way to core a cue. Ya know, drill hole-insert dowel. The adjustable weight and balance point is just simple genius. The best kind!
Pretty soon people will be X raying your cues to see what other hidden gems there may be.
I would laugh but I'm sick today. To much shoveling for this old man.
So.....Haha

The answer is simple.
I live by West system slow hardner. I like the additive 404 so if the wood has any dry spots. A little thicker epoxy prevents the dry spots from over absorbing creating a buzz.
I have my Vee cutters sharpened when I buy them so the correct angle is on them. When the channel ends. My points end.

-A- joints are a must.
Example of a Palmer I'm doing.
How's that for info so far.
It's only taken me 29 years to learn what I know about cues so far.
Have a nice day.
 

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I would laugh but I'm sick today. To much shoveling for this old man.
So.....Haha

The answer is simple.
I live by West system slow hardner. I like the additive 404 so if the wood has any dry spots. A little thicker epoxy prevents the dry spots from over absorbing creating a buzz.
I have my Vee cutters sharpened when I buy them so the correct angle is on them. When the channel ends. My points end.

-A- joints are a must.
Example of a Palmer I'm doing.
How's that for info so far.
It's only taken me 29 years to learn what I know about cues so far.
Have a nice day.
I have a little secret 'technology' for you to core your cues with, would prefer to discuss over PM if you're keen to give it a try.
 
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