NEED HELP SHOOTING "JACKED UP"

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i struggle when i have to draw or do a stop shot in situations like the diagram
cue ball is close to the rail but far enough away that with enough elevation (ie jacked up )
you can get to the lower part of the cue ball
i am right handed
i always seen to hit the right side of object ball /missing to the left even tho it seems i am lined up straight and concentrating on going thru the cue ball in a straight line
you are trying to pocket the ball in the pocket where the 10 ball is pocketed
any ideas in how to hit this shot or improve my accuracy would be appreciated.
i know a video would be best but i dont know how to upload a video i would take with my camara
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First, you don't need to hit the bottom part of the CB when you're jacked up - the "equator" is tilted up parallel with your stick, so you can get backspin hitting above the horizontal equator, and therefore you can shoot draw shots with the CB right on the rail.

You might try:
- sighting the shot while bent over and staying on that line while straightening up
- being sure your elbow is on the "shot plane" (not tilted in or out)
- looking at the CB last (during the shot stroke) to avoid sidespin
- not "braking" your stroke to avoid hitting the table surface

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chgo
 
If you have to dig in jacked up, stay prone for better leverage. Cue ball last; looking at the object ball is more treacherous than you might think. Low tap for stop. Low jump for draw.
 
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First, your alignment s probably off on this shot. Try something different in your approach. Second, this is the kind of shot where trust is a must. Take your time setting up for the shot and then trust your alignment 100%. Don't try to make any adjustments in your alignment while you're in your stance. You need to come into this shot the right way from the first step. You might even try shooting it with your eyes closed a few times, just for the heck of it. Focus on keeping your arm straight throughout the shot. You need a certain amount of speed to hold the cb on this shot. Don't slack off on the speed, or what my friend Jimmy Fusco used to say to me --- Don't dog the speed.
 
bbb said:
i struggle when i have to draw or do a stop shot in situations like the diagram
cue ball is close to the rail but far enough away that with enough elevation (ie jacked up )
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Do you practice the shot? If so, how do you practice the shot?
 
I just recently found something helpful to me on these shots. I keep my head down as close to the jacked up cue as I can. I found that when I was jacked up I tended to have the cue pretty far from my chin as on my normal shots (at least 6 inches above the cue). So get lower over the cue and see if that helps. Oh, and you also have to keep your elbow up real high and over the cue. If your head is down near the cue but your elbow is not over the cue then it won't work well. This is just something I found helpful for myself.
 
FranCrimi said:
First, your alignment s probably off on this shot. Try something different in your approach. Second, this is the kind of shot where trust is a must. Take your time setting up for the shot and then trust your alignment 100%. Don't try to make any adjustments in your alignment while you're in your stance. You need to come into this shot the right way from the first step. You might even try shooting it with your eyes closed a few times, just for the heck of it. Focus on keeping your arm straight throughout the shot. You need a certain amount of speed to hold the cb on this shot. Don't slack off on the speed, or what my friend Jimmy Fusco used to say to me --- Don't dog the speed.
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i will try your recommendations fran thanks
 
Bob Jewett said:
Do you practice the shot? If so, how do you practice the shot?
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i set up small distance versions and shoot them
i have experimented with head position/hand position/cue level on shot line then raising like some do for jump shots/different stances
 
Patrick Johnson said:
First, you don't need to hit the bottom part of the CB when you're jacked up - the "equator" is tilted up parallel with your stick, so you can get backspin hitting above the horizontal equator, and therefore you can shoot draw shots with the CB right on the rail.

You might try:
- sighting the shot while bent over and staying on that line while straightening up
- being sure your elbow is on the "shot plane" (not tilted in or out)
- looking at the CB last (during the shot stroke) to avoid sidespin
- not "braking" your stroke to avoid hitting the table surface

pj
chgo
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thanks patrick
 
straightline said:
If you have to dig in jacked up, stay prone for better leverage. Cue ball last; looking at the object ball is more treacherous than you might think. Low tap for stop. Low jump for draw.
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thanks for the reply straightline
 
Dan White said:
I just recently found something helpful to me on these shots. I keep my head down as close to the jacked up cue as I can. I found that when I was jacked up I tended to have the cue pretty far from my chin as on my normal shots (at least 6 inches above the cue). So get lower over the cue and see if that helps. Oh, and you also have to keep your elbow up real high and over the cue. If your head is down near the cue but your elbow is not over the cue then it won't work well. This is just something I found helpful for myself.
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thanks dan
my chin is pretty close and i try to focus on my elbow being in line
i should probably get a mirror to see of it really is
 
bbb said:
i set up small distance versions and shoot them
i have experimented with head position/hand position/cue level on shot line then raising like some do for jump shots/different stances
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I suggest that you do something similar, but turn it into a progressive practice. Do the adjustment so you are making 75% of the shots. Here is an explanation of the general idea of progressive practice: http://www.sfbilliards.com/Misc/progpract.pdf
 
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Near the rail. Trying to pot the ball and hold the cue ball. Two tasks.

There’s good advice in the posts above. I’d jack the cue up, keep my chin on it and Strike down for backspin.

I’d practice by moving the object closer to the cueball. Make a fun game of it trying to sink a ball in all 4 corners. Once accomplished, move the object ball out another 6 inches. ..etc. If you try too long a shot as long as in your scenario, you will likely just keep missing. With easier shots its easier to adjust. On harder shots there could be more variables why we missed and what do we adjust?

an aside: In a real game. I’d want to know the table,..cloth , pocket size, etc. I might be inclined to not try a full stop shot to make sure I pot the ball and then play safety on the next shot if appropriate. How confident am I and who am I playing if I miss?
 
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Geosnookery said:
Near the rail. Trying to pot the ball and hold the cue ball. Two tasks.

There’s good advice in the posts above. I’d jack the cue up, keep my chin on it and Strike down for backspin.

I’d practice by moving the object closer to the cueball. Make a fun game of it trying to sink a ball in all 4 corners. Once accomplished, move the object ball out another 6 inches. ..etc. If you try too long a shot as long as in your scenario, you will likely just keep missing. With easier shots its easier to adjust. On harder shots there could be more variables why we missed and what do we adjust?

an aside: In a real game. I’d want to know the table,..cloth , pocket size, etc. I might be inclined to not try a full stop shot to make sure I pot the ball and then play safety on the next shot if appropriate. How confident am I and who am I playing if I miss?
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Thanks for the reply
In a real game i will usually pass on it since my confidence is so low
Except in one pocket
When frozen / close to the foot rail and want to push balls up table and draw back to the foot rail since i dont have to make a ball
 
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