New York City Players thread

My perception is that many very good, even great, pool halls were closed across the US throughout the 20th century. Before 1930, the US had 42,000 pool rooms, with NYC alone having 4,000; Detroit’s Recreation pool hall had 142 tables; and San Francisco’s Graney pool hall had a 400-seat spectator gallery. How many pool halls are there in the 5 boroughs today? In the US as a whole? Detroit's largest pool hall? Today's largest spectator area? Does anyone have any comparable figures reflecting on the size and health of today's pool world?

What reasonable explanations are available to explain the deviations?
public appeal is a function of marketing dollars
top tier chess tournaments pay out big money.

is chess exciting to watch?
went to grand marshall chess club in manhattan for a few events

its super crowded and very small, not good for live watching
 
top tier chess tournaments pay out big money.

is chess exciting to watch?

Yes, at least for chess players. The content and live-streaming for the top chess matches is better than what we get for the top pool matches. Chess also does a good job landing non-chess sponsors, presumably because chess is marketed as a educational pursuit.
 
Nearly all the things I enjoy most in NYC, pool included, are on hold. No attending sporting events, no going to movie theaters, no going to concerts, no going to museums, no spending time in the libraries, no indoor dining at restaurants. Even a few of the things that are open should probably be closed.

Anytime I've seen footage of a poolroom during the pandemic, people are unmasked and not observing social distancing guidelines. For that reason, I doubt I'd return to the pool halls even if they were to open tomorrow. Poolroom proprietors are holding unsafe tournaments, too. A few more months of doing without pool, I fear, is what I'm stuck with.

Yes, this is the new normal, just as you say, or as Conan O'Brien put it "staying in is the new going out." That said, science has already beaten COVID, so there are grounds for optimism.

Sorry for going off topic, but I feel that this COVID-19 has been blown way over proportion. I have been going out every day, since March, riding public transit (the 1st several months without a Mask, until it was Mandated / Required), and I have never gotten sick, nor have I witnessed any sick people.

I live in New Orleans, which was the epicenter of Virus cases for awhile in the US, and even after Masks were Mandated, and the Economy crippled due to shutdowns, the Virus cases skyrocketed, to close to 200,000 cases per day in the US. This just makes me so angry. Seems that our Economy was crippled just so daily cases would go through the roof.

Here we are, 10 months after the Pandemic started, and still shut down. When will it ever end, and things go back to normal?

I imagine Pool in NYC was amazing. I hope it gets back to normal for the NYC pool scene soon.
 
Once the pool room closed, online felt like the only place to find the players you may have seen at events or rooms.

I am trying to be visible for the Tri State players because NYC pool rooms are national institutions of billiards.

Hopefully a lot of players just post they are alive and ok.

Whether you just went into a pool room once or played tournament every month NYC pool players are officially out of action maybe until 2022.

As for the drama.

Its a support thread.

I am afraid that you might be right. It might be 2022 before things get back to normal, if they ever do. I do not think that the pool scene will ever be the same again, anywhere though. Not unless a high percentage of people trust the Vaccine, and it works for a high percentage of them.
 
As usual, its all about money. Always has been and always will be. Money is tied to popularity. Popularity derives from attitude. Covid will pass, just a blip. Long term, the question will be whether or not pool can attract enough people to spend sufficient money on it to sustain and expand it. I am afraid that America is no longer a pool society -- sadly, we have moved away from pool. Kids today play video games. Instead of talking, they text. Pool developed during a different time, among people with a different mindset. Over time, the separation between pool and the American public will only broaden. I pray that I am wrong but fear I am not.

You are not wrong. I agree with everything you said. Pool in the US has been dying for a long time. Just look at the amount of pool halls that were open 25 years ago, and compare then to the amount of pool rooms that were open Pre COVID-19. It is very sad.
 
Sorry for going off topic, but I feel that this COVID-19 has been blown way over proportion. I have been going out every day, since March, riding public transit (the 1st several months without a Mask, until it was Mandated / Required), and I have never gotten sick, nor have I witnessed any sick people.

I live in New Orleans, which was the epicenter of Virus cases for awhile in the US, and even after Masks were Mandated, and the Economy crippled due to shutdowns, the Virus cases skyrocketed, to close to 200,000 cases per day in the US. This just makes me so angry. Seems that our Economy was crippled just so daily cases would go through the roof.

Here we are, 10 months after the Pandemic started, and still shut down. When will it ever end, and things go back to normal?

I imagine Pool in NYC was amazing. I hope it gets back to normal for the NYC pool scene soon.

Take that nonsense to NPR..you know better.

Sent from the future.
 
This is a NYC players thread.

I plan to support pool rooms, but now is not a time I can.

Some people don't feel connected to the pool community because they went inside a pool room a few times.

AZ is trying to create a worldwide community feel.

Think of this thread as a welcome for NYC people (or East Coasters). Its the hardest hit city on the planet due to COVID and its reopening is a touchy subject.
 
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Polsky wrote a great book called "Hustlers, Cheats, and Others" in the 1960s that describes the fall of the pool culture of the 1930s. Basically his research says that the suburban lifestyle killed the urban density needed for pool halls. And that a lot more men got married instead of shooting pool all day. Polsky's book is still in print.

But why professional pool isn't on equal footing today with professional darts I have no idea. Perhaps clips of bullseyes get more clicks than 9 ball runouts?
Minor correction, K&A -- Correct title is "Hustlers, Beats, and Others" and was indeed a great, very stimulating read. I read it 51 years ago, immediately after it was published. Entertaining, deeply insightful observations by a professional sociologist (Ned Polsky) who was a respected amateur 3C player.
Read about it here:
https://www.amazon.com/Hustlers-Bea...ords=ned+polsky&qid=1610126787&s=books&sr=1-1
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Amazon's product description:
"Ranging from pool hustling to pornography, this book analyzes deviant branches of American life, dispels misconceptions about them, and throws new light on sociological theory and method. Each chapter radically dissents from one or more mainstream opinions about deviance.

The first chapter examines the alleged causes for the decline of American poolrooms and finds them wanting, traces the rise and fall of poolrooms to historical changes in America's social structure, and cogently dissects the recent poolroom revival. The second chapter, reports a field study of a deviant occupation, pool hustling, describing the hustler's work situation and career from recruitment to retirement. In revealing how pool hustlers, although dedicated wholly to a vocation that merely breaks unenforced gambling laws, frequently supplement their income by means of outright felonies, the author develops a new theory of "crime as moonlighting." The third chapter sharply criticizes our criminology textbooks for avoiding the study of uncaught adult criminals in their natural environments. It demonstrates such research to be both necessary and practical with career felons as well as moonlighters. The author describes field techniques he has used with career felons, offers new findings gleaned by means of these techniques, and answers moral objections to such research. The forth chapter presents the first genuinely empirical study of the beat delinquent sub-culture, in which the author corrects some journalistic views such as that most beats are exhibitionists and some sociological ones such as that "retreatist" drug-users can meet neither legitimate nor criminal success norms. The final chapter, on the sociology of pornography, holds that the courts are wrong to claim that naturalistic erotic art is non-pornographic, and wronger still to claim that hard-core pornography is, in Mr. Justice Brennan's words, "utterly without redeeming social importance."

The author's unusual blend of empirical, theoretical, and methodological contributions to the study of deviance is enlivened by a witty yet disputatious style, for Mr. Polsky believes that polemical scholarship improves the quality of intellectual life by forcing genteel discussion to become genuine debate."
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Sorry for going off topic, but I feel that this COVID-19 has been blown way over proportion. I have been going out every day, since March, riding public transit (the 1st several months without a Mask, until it was Mandated / Required), and I have never gotten sick, nor have I witnessed any sick people.

I live in New Orleans, which was the epicenter of Virus cases for awhile in the US, and even after Masks were Mandated, and the Economy crippled due to shutdowns, the Virus cases skyrocketed, to close to 200,000 cases per day in the US. This just makes me so angry. Seems that our Economy was crippled just so daily cases would go through the roof.

Here we are, 10 months after the Pandemic started, and still shut down. When will it ever end, and things go back to normal?

I imagine Pool in NYC was amazing. I hope it gets back to normal for the NYC pool scene soon.

I got it, my wife got it, my son got it (but no symptoms), a good friend of mine got it a week ago. You won't witness sick people because they stay inside like they should. I have not run across any rapes or murders myself either, but they seem to happen without us personally witnessing them.

Only way to stop disease spread is to have everyone, everywhere, isolate for weeks at a time so it can't spread and dies out due to how long the virus can live. One person can infect a hundred or more by end of the day with how many people we come in contact with each day. Since we are still going around people, it will not end or slow much till the vaccine is out. Even then it will be around at the level of the flu.
 
I have just got word that Amsterdams may open as early as next week! I hope everything works out well for them.
 
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