Watch this shot at 6:13 from the stack of balls. I can never seem to make that ball
Spotted ball one pocket shot.
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Ah, the linkless ghost shot. Nearly impossible to spot. I've never made one either.
You have to click where it says "Watch on Facebook". Or copy/paste this link (remove the spaces):
facebook. com / RoysBasement/videos/177133450882800/
(you don't need to login to fb. And that's at 6 hours, 13 minutes.)
Anyway, it's 4 spotted balls and he makes the bottom ball with a slight
Looks easy! ("Looks" - never tried it.)
u12, I have no advice other than the usual; practice.
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Thanks. I don't get the Facebook option. Tricky looking shot. Must be on though. The line up wasn't critical.
There's a similar shot you get in 9 ball where the 9 is on the spot and the ball in play is in line under it. With ball in hand, goes in the side.
On a 9-foot table the 4th spotted ball can't be cut cleanly into the corner pocket without a little throw (without throw it hits about 4 1/2" up the long rail). And that cut angle can't be "seen" unless the CB is at least a diamond below the side pocket (higher than that and the 3rd ball's in the way).
I speculate that he purposely clips the 3rd ball to move the 4th ball a little before contact. I'll have to try that...
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It seems that if you hit 3 full enough to send it into 4 there is no way to make 4. Maybe 1 and 2 help to push 3 with a thinner hit.
For those who don't want to deal with FleeceBunk videos, here is the position and the result just as the OB falls in:
The advantage I see in hitting ball 3 first is that the cue ball is then moving across ball 4 so you can get throw without side spin. Here is the "best cut" geometry without throw for four spotted balls:
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Sounds right. You have to "overcut" the 3rd ball, but the 2nd ball keeps it in contact with the 4th ball enough to move it a little.
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But I think throw is a far larger factor.
I am guessing the contact with 3rd ball was very minimal and unintentional.n Knowinghe cueist and not having watched the video...
4th spotted ball being 'on' is probably known by about all players that have been around the game for a while.
4th spotted ball being 'on' is probably known by about all players that have been around the game for a while.
What ball goes in the side and how?
With 9b, 9 on the spot and current ball spotted behind, I think the smart shot is to bank the lower ball around 4 rails to middle of the table and stop cb behind the 9. Next option for me would be bank to lower pocket.
You're right. I thought it was given the 9 goes in the side. It will occasionally come up in ring games or whenever money balls are continuously spotted. For instance the 9 is sitting on the spot having been successfully ridden. At some subsequent point somebody pockets a ball on a bad hit or scratches and it spots up as well. With ball in hand, the ball on the spot is now odds on for the side - not that I can do the shot. It's a balkline ish kind of mini jump masse carom that doesn't take much force. Goes like it's dead when done right.
That might be the "double spotted ball shot to the corner" in reverse. The shot uses an aiming method called "10 times fuller" - measuring from the center of the end rail, you aim through the first ball at a spot 1/10 of the way to your target pocket and hit it with draw.
This is how it's normally done, shooting to make the 3 ball in the corner - but I can imagine shooting it the other way to make the 2 ball in the side.
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Not at all. The shot is an x 9 carom to the side. It works best up close.
X for whatever ball is under the 9. I cannot do the shot. Maybe my hands are too small. Ask one of your billiards champs there. It's prolly a duck.
9 on the spot.
Any other ball lined up under it, froze.
Right hander masse approach, (curving to the left) kiss the cueball off the x ball into the 9.
Lefties go from the other side.
Best I can figure, the cue ball is so close it hits the carom airborne and spins the 9 in. There's no drama to this shot. Med speed, it just goes.
No idea what you are talking about. Thought I had it before you started talking masse and airborne.
If one had ball in hand, where would he put cb to do the shot? Just below and off to the side of the lower ball?
I don't get the masse part when talking about spotting balls in a ring game. Wouldn't incoming player be shooting from behind the line?
Still can't conceive how airborne features.
You're right about the kitchen although the shot could fall into your lap. SO, in games where the money ball(s) are wild and re-spotted...
Airborne because there will be a slight hop when you strike. The shot is in very close quarters like a straight rail shot.
You need to experiment with the cue ball location. As I said, I can't make the shot. I was shown the shot repeatedly and it went every time.