Center Pocket Music, the long-awaited CTE Pro One book, by Stan Shuffett.

SpiderWebComm said:
John, at least you don't have to ask your wife for permission to make a frickin bet. If you would have played him in an ahead set, the result could have been different. You had the momentum at the end and he only beat you by like 2 games when you basically gave him 2 or 3 games at the beginning.
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You keep saying this but I don’t recall asking Gail for permission to do anything or bankroll anything.

What I do recall is telling John, several months before the match, was that Gail wanted a $500 a game side bet, which John accepted and then welched on. On the video I believe you can see/hear me ask him to post the money for that bet when we were counting out the dough with Ed.

And an ahead set wouldn’t have mattered, trust me; ;-)

Lou Figueroa

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JB Cases said:
Exactly. I was way too amped in the beginning. Was intense for me but I know who the better person is and I still think I am the better player. When I offered to double the bet and play again all I got was insults and denial. When my friend with his satchel of cash offered, unbeknownst to me, to play another set right then they declined.

What did I do after the loss? Went to dinner then drove to NYC to play in a tournament and got to play Earl Strickland. More heart, more fun!
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You had months to prepare.

And Brian and I have gone back and forth on the issue of a replay and the bottom line is that I never heard him make an offer but will allow that he made it in some context that did not register at the time.

I will remind you though that when we were counting out the dough right before the match, I asked you if you wanted to double the bet. And you said no. I asked you if you would still cover the $500 a game side bet with Gail. And you said no. A spectator shouted out that they wanted a $100 side bet with you. And you said no.

So at the end of the match when I collected my stake and your $10K, I had well over $30,000 in my pocket. Given all that, I can’t imagine any reason I wouldn’t have been more than happy to relieve you of whatever additional money you or your stake horse wanted to bet.

Lou Figueroa
 
lfigueroa said:
ah, beat you for $10,000.

Lou Figueroa
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Not in a shotmaking contest. 11-9 and 1-1 in sets is how it stands. You had a standing offer to play for 20k and just couldn't find the nuts to play. I withdrew that offer a couple years ago and now you have no more opportunity to win any money from me. By the way your portion of that $10,000 was like $2000 that you had to put up yourself. Couldn't even get properly backed. The best part is that I made significantly more off the match than I lost and wrote it off as as marketing expense. You're just lucky that I didn't report the 10k as income on your side or your tiny share would been even smaller.

Among the human beings I know personally I find that you are one that is particularly odious. I was surprised to see that so many people around your area absolutely despise you. I have never been any different in person or online and you have been duplicitous and conniving with me in real life and online. So, lastly
Dan White said:
Money talks, bullshit walks. Low500 Joe said he was shooting lights out and taking all the cash two weeks after learning CTE. He also said he ran 100 in straight pool because of it, too. If CTE takes the ball to different pockets then surely after a couple of years Low500 Joe could come within a ball's diameter of making all those banks, no?

Stan's banking videos don't state that he is a banking expert before CTE. He just says CTE takes the ball to different pockets in banking. You keep mentioning Usain Bolt and ignore the obvious comparison. It's like Bolt setting a 100 yd dash record and he tells you it's because of his new shoes (CTE). He conveniently leaves out that he is the previous record holder and has trained his whole life.

Look, I understand what you are saying about Stan's banking videos. I'm simply saying full disclosure is called for so a viewer can make up his own mind as to the effectiveness of CTE for banking.
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Then your entire position is based on nitpicking supposition.

If Stan said that he was a highly experienced banker and then touted cte as awesome for banking then it would work even more in favor of creating interest in cte.

The user can make up his own mind based on becoming proficient in cte and comparing results before and after the use of that method.

There is literally zero way to measure effectiveness of a method for an individual other than individual performance.

If bolt said he ran his fastest time in a certain pair of shoes it would likely be a true statement and if he attributed that to the shoes then who would be qualified to dispute him? And if he went on to demonstrate many more world class times at what point would you stop calling him a snake oil salesman?

And if many runners at all levels bought the sneakers and testified that they also had improved times what would that be worth?

In fact we do have exactly such examples in sports with corked bats and speedo rzr swimsuits. I suppose when the first world class swimmers who bragged about being faster in them were being dishonest?

Have you considered that a rising tide lifts all boats?
 
lfigueroa said:
You had months to prepare.

And Brian and I have gone back and forth on the issue of a replay and the bottom line is that I never heard him make an offer but will allow that he made it in some context that did not register at the time.

I will remind you though that when we were counting out the dough right before the match, I asked you if you wanted to double the bet. And you said no. I asked you if you would still cover the $500 a game side bet with Gail. And you said no. A spectator shouted out that they wanted a $100 side bet with you. And you said no.

So at the end of the match when I collected my stake and your $10K, I had well over $30,000 in my pocket. Given all that, I can’t imagine any reason I wouldn’t have been more than happy to relieve you of whatever additional money you or your stake horse wanted to bet.

Lou Figueroa
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Yep, I cut you off from betting more because of the games you played leading up to the match.

As for your imaginings....... That was in fact your job to spin stories and many on this forum have called you out for playing loose with the facts when you have tried to embellish.
 
JB Cases said:
Yep, I cut you off from betting more because of the games you played leading up to the match.

As for your imaginings....... That was in fact your job to spin stories and many on this forum have called you out for playing loose with the facts when you have tried to embellish.
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While we were posting up the money with Ed and I asked you for more action, I looked into your eyes and all I saw was a scared little puppy dog.

And since your memory is so poor let me also remind you that what you claimed at the time was that you were buying a new piece of equipment for your business and your wife wouldn’t let you bet anymore (lol, don’t let Spider know that).

in any case, at the steak and lobster dinner my crew enjoyed after the match we did some back of the envelope calculations and concluded you worked the entire SBE for us.

Thanks, John!

Lou Figueroa
 
Patrick Johnson said:
CB right edge to OB left quarter (aimpoint A) is a 1/4 ball fractional overlap. What you do with that may be something else - but you're (still) apparently unable to describe what you do.

pj
chgo
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Not in cte. You must be hilarious on a date when she talks about a slow comfortable screw and you are thinking about cabinet screws.
 
JB Cases said:
Not in a shotmaking contest. 11-9 and 1-1 in sets is how it stands. You had a standing offer to play for 20k and just couldn't find the nuts to play. I withdrew that offer a couple years ago and now you have no more opportunity to win any money from me. By the way your portion of that $10,000 was like $2000 that you had to put up yourself. Couldn't even get properly backed. The best part is that I made significantly more off the match than I lost and wrote it off as as marketing expense. You're just lucky that I didn't report the 10k as income on your side or your tiny share would been even smaller.

Among the human beings I know personally I find that you are one that is particularly odious. I was surprised to see that so many people around your area absolutely despise you. I have never been any different in person or online and you have been duplicitous and conniving with me in real life and online. So, lastly

Then your entire position is based on nitpicking supposition.

If Stan said that he was a highly experienced banker and then touted cte as awesome for banking then it would work even more in favor of creating interest in cte.

The user can make up his own mind based on becoming proficient in cte and comparing results before and after the use of that method.

There is literally zero way to measure effectiveness of a method for an individual other than individual performance.

If bolt said he ran his fastest time in a certain pair of shoes it would likely be a true statement and if he attributed that to the shoes then who would be qualified to dispute him? And if he went on to demonstrate many more world class times at what point would you stop calling him a snake oil salesman?

And if many runners at all levels bought the sneakers and testified that they also had improved times what would that be worth?

In fact we do have exactly such examples in sports with corked bats and speedo rzr swimsuits. I suppose when the first world class swimmers who bragged about being faster in them were being dishonest?

Have you considered that a rising tide lifts all boats?
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lfigueroa said:
While we were posting up the money with Ed and I asked you for more action, I looked into your eyes and all I saw was a scared little puppy dog.

And since your memory is so poor let me also remind you that what you claimed at the time was that you were buying a new piece of equipment for your business and your wife wouldn’t let you bet anymore (lol, don’t let Spider know that).

in any case, at the steak and lobster dinner my crew enjoyed after the match we did some back of the envelope calculations and concluded you worked the entire SBE for us.

Thanks, John!

Lou Figueroa
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Yep we also decided that we had more important things to spend the money on. Karen said that my point would be made for 10k just as well as for more.

My wife is my partner and you would be foolish to believe that we don't talk about all the moves we make.

Consulting openly with my partner isn't asking for permission it is asking for her perspective.

She says thanks for the five months of marketing. Money well spent.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Right, because why would you use a common description of a common fractional overlap to mean what it commonly means? That would be communicating clearly, which apparently isn't allowed with CTE.

pj
chgo
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That's why you pay attention to the instructions. If you are that easy to confuse then maybe higher level concepts aren't something you should be trying to tackle. Nowhere ever has anyone who understands and uses CTE called the 15 degree perception line a fractional overlap or a quarter ball hit.

This is an example of being deliberately obtuse on your part. Interestingly many people have taken to cte fairly easily so either you don't understand the directions or you can't understand them or you so and you're just choosing to be malicious.

Once again though cte exists apart from this forum and flourishes. Despite your efforts over the years cte as a useful method has only grown more popular and more refined.

Smarter people than me have long ago abandoned conversing with you because of what seems like malicious trolling rather than any genuine attempt to learn on your part.
 
JB Cases said:
The best part is that I made significantly more off the match than I lost and wrote it off as as marketing expense. You're just lucky that I didn't report the 10k as income on your side or your tiny share would been even smaller.
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You're lucky you didn't get audited. I'm no tax attorney but it wasn't a marketing expense it was gambling and you can't write off a gambling loss, business or not, unless offset by winnings. Also, how exactly would you have reported Lou's winnings without his social security number?
 
lfigueroa said:
While we were posting up the money with Ed and I asked you for more action, I looked into your eyes and all I saw was a scared little puppy dog.

And since your memory is so poor let me also remind you that what you claimed at the time was that you were buying a new piece of equipment for your business and your wife wouldn’t let you bet anymore (lol, don’t let Spider know that).

in any case, at the steak and lobster dinner my crew enjoyed after the match we did some back of the envelope calculations and concluded you worked the entire SBE for us.

Thanks, John!

Lou Figueroa
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Lol, you wish that I had worked the sbe for you. Your face when I said we would need to pay pal the rest was all everyone needed to see to understand that I was having fun. You and your crew worked for me marketing my brand for five months for a shot at the money. I made so much money off of the hype around that match. I make more most days than you made in a whole month. That you can't understand business calculations isn't surprising.

I am still making money off of you. Every new view on my videos of the match brings more eyeballs to my website to see what the crazy case maker makes. You got 2000 as the smallest share of the stake and I got nine hours of professionally produced video with qualified commentary on addition to five months of logo impressions created "organically" through your campaign to capture my attention and take me away from training. Your activity pays me dividends year after year after year. A guy like me who shows heart gets far more respect than someone like you who had to be cattle-prodded into playing and then got the smallest payout for your effort.

And despite your efforts CTE is more popular than ever. Nice try though, you get a jar that you labeled John's soul for your effort and I got the Porsche. Thanks.

And, when it comes to souls, you sold yours for $2000. You shook my hand and we agreed to let it go and a week later you reneged on that. Just as you did the time before after you approached me at Derby and we agreed to be cool with each other.

You entered into a conspiracy to "hustle" me and all you got was 2k and it has to bug you deep down that you actually helped me to promote my business and you helped to promote Center to Edge aiming. You will never admit it anyway but I think I am right on the nose here.
 
Dan White said:
You're lucky you didn't get audited. I'm no tax attorney but it wasn't a marketing expense it was gambling and you can't write off a gambling loss, business or not, unless offset by winnings. Also, how exactly would you have reported Lou's winnings without his social security number?
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You can stop at not a tax attorney. You don't get to classify my business activity. Had I chosen to report the payout to Lou of $10,000 in cash, which he likely didn't report either, then I would have likely been able to give the IRS enough information for them to follow up.

You can certainly call the IRS and report my failure to report the transfer of $10,000 to Lou if you want to. Regardless of what you believe about what and how a business can claim and classify for expenses the fact remains that I paid Lou $10,000 and for him it is considered income. How he would deal with it and the division of funds to his "backers" would be between them and the IRS.

Here is the fun part, regardless of tax considerations I spent 10k and got five months of marketing out of it as well as years of continuing marketing benefit. You and lou can pretend that that's not worth anything but I think you know that isn't true.

This is really too easy. You're starting to bore me. At one time I saw you as sincere in your questions but really you're just engaging in the same old trolling.

I thank Stan for producing what he has in the face of your unwarranted attempts to discredit him. The Center Pocket Music book on Center to Edge aiming is a true labor of love and will live on well after we are gone.
 
straightline said:
@ JB you missed the point.
nuther thing wrong with perceptual aiming. Nevermind though, Stan Shuffett says CTE isn't an aiming system but on one of those links Speeder posted, it's titled as an aiming system.
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Well then your point was obviously invalid if I missed it. Isn't that basically your premise that CTE is not valid if someone doesn't get it easily enough according to your standards?

Aligning/Aiming go hand in hand when it comes to pool or any other endeavor where a stationary target is expected to be struck precisely with manually moved item.

Call it a shot selection system, the instructions are the same and the results are clear.
 
lfigueroa said:
lol.

You welched on every single side bet you said you’d take at the venue. You almost got into a fight with Eric. And as witnessed and testified to here by numerous eye witnesses you cheated in our match by getting coached.


oh, and there was that little incident not so long ago when you got your nose open, played like a spastic monkey on coke, and went off for $10’s of thousands. AND THEN put the lamest sad sack video up on line about the whole thing that was so pathetic that *even I* told you you should take it down.

Lou Figueroa
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Lol, that was a legit gambling loss. And like I always do I told the truth about my perspective on it. Once again though I showed more heart in one night than you have shown your entire life. As my buddy said last night you can't win what you don't put on the middle.

I didn't welch on any bets. I bet what I wanted to bet and your behavior is the primary reason I didn't bet more.

Six weeks prior to the match I offered to double the bet and post all of the money. You forget that I didn't have to play at all. I could have left you standing there and simply forfeited the 3k stake. I considered it after the stunts you pulled but decided to go ahead and play because I have heart (and ego).

See the text and logo below? Every time you continue to engage I get more Google juice. You probably don't even know what that is.
 
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