Bank with a little twist

[u12armresl]

Can’t believe I heard Nicki Vacc’s name. Remember as a kid in the 50s seeing him make all kinds of proposition games with some the best hustlers in Atlantic City. The one that stood out was Nicki playing Bridgeton Herbie something like 10-3 one pocket, but Herbie could only use his shaft. After a couple of losing sessions Herbie got a repair man to drill out his shaft and load it with some weight. Needless to say, the stakes were raised and Herbie robbed him.

The key to those games is to get out a bit quicker.
Weldon did the same thing with a loaded up shaft, and he could run racks of 9 ball like that.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

I would assume ... for a ball contacting a rail because the rail compresses so much and relative contact time is so much longer, more spin RPM's equal more angle change.

I'm pretty sure the spin-to-speed ratio is the governing factor for angle change off the rail, regardless of RPMs - at least that's been the case in the informal tests I've done, although I haven't tested really high speeds.

pj
chgo

 

[straightline]

With a fullish hit it's easy to use too much side spin and actually reduce the amount of transferred spin. With a dead straight hit anything over half of maximum side spin reduces transferred spin - this shot looks like about a 3/4 hit, so probably about 70% of max (50% + 20%) is best. That might be about what Freddy meant by "three tips".

pj
chgo

Three tips might be Beardese for maximum. Be interesting to see how that shot actually works. Severe deflection, full hit, throw cancelling max transfer...

 

[fastone371]

I'm pretty sure the spin-to-speed ratio is the governing factor for angle change off the rail, regardless of RPMs - at least that's been the case in the informal tests I've done, although I haven't tested really high speeds.

pj
chgo

I agree, if I need to increase rebound angle on a kick I have noticed that the less cue ball speed I use the more angle I get.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

...if I need to increase rebound angle on a kick I have noticed that the less cue ball speed I use the more angle I get.

You can “enhance” side spin’s effect by hitting “slow and low” (with side spin). The CB’s speed is reduced much more than its side spin, creating a bigger spin-to-speed ratio than is possible otherwise.

pj
chgo

 

[dr_dave]

You can “enhance” side spin’s effect by hitting “slow and low” (with side spin). The CB’s speed is reduced much more than its side spin, creating a bigger spin-to-speed ratio than is possible otherwise.

For those interested, more info and demonstrations can be found on the drag shot resource page.

 

[9andout]

The story about Detroit Whitey's kids was pretty chilling, TBH.
But I'd definitely rather know than have the sanitized version. In that sense, it was an exceptional book, and full credit to the guy for being willing to put it out there.

It was something else he personally related.
Like I said. "Better editor".
I'll have to re-read the Whitey story.

 

[Pin]

It was something else he personally related.
Like I said. "Better editor".
I'll have to re-read the Whitey story.

Okay, I can't remember anything personally very incriminating. (Any clues? )
Perhaps compared to all the armed robberies and people slipping each other the jar, whatever he did looked less bad by comparison!

 

[Pin]

Detroit Whitey allegedly literally gambled his kids and lost them, he and the mother had to let them be taken. Maybe it's true and maybe it isn't, but the idea, and the notion of what could have happened to them after (there are only so many scenarios where you'd want to win someone's kids in a bet), and the parents maybe living not knowing, just stuck with me as being in a whole other league of awful.
Maybe they're still out there somewhere, now adults, living their lives.

So yeah, Freddie would have to have done something pretty bad to top that!

 

[9andout]

Detroit Whitey allegedly literally gambled his kids and lost them, he and the mother had to let them be taken. Maybe it's true and maybe it isn't, but the idea, and the notion of what could have happened to them after (there are only so many scenarios where you'd want to win someone's kids in a bet), and the parents maybe living not knowing, just stuck with me as being in a whole other league of awful.
Maybe they're still out there somewhere, now adults, living their lives.

So yeah, Freddie would have to have done something pretty bad to top that!

I didn't say he "topped it". No way.
Just that he needed a better editor.
That Whitey story is off the charts bad!