Is Schmidt's and charlie 626 Legit

[Black-Balled]

Whoa, there!
No one who questions the “claim” has to provide evidence to prove the “claim’s validity/invalidity. That responsibility to provide proof belongs to the person making that claim. The unquestionable, proof should have been exhibited, immediately, along with the “claim” or retracted.

What positive value would would providing the vid to the public potentially have provided to John?

What negative value would would providing the vid to the public potentially have provided to John?

We only continue this dialog out of amusement at the absurdity of the demands made by those with no entitlements.

 

[garczar]

What positive value would would providing the vid to the public potentially have provided to John?

What negative value would would providing the vid to the public potentially have provided to John?

We only continue this dialog out of amusement at the absurdity of the demands made by those with no entitlements.

Don't forget the massively positive impact the thread has had on popcorn sales. Gotta be epic. Should'a bought stock the day the thread started.

 

[lfigueroa]

That's not true. Context is very important. Are you saying the home run derby should count towards a batter's career home run total?

The high run in practice is held by Babe Cranfield. The only reason he doesn't hold an official record is because there is none for practice runs, plus he didn't have a notary nearby.

I understand what you are saying but it is not an "exhibition" high run. Do you really think JS could have run 626 if it was a planned, actual exhibition?

I believe the answer to your question is no, he could not.

It took him hundreds of tries under artificially perfect conditions. There is zero chance he is going to walk into a strange room for an exhibition and run 500+ in front of spectators, on any size table, on a single attempt.

Lou Figueroa

 

[Cameron Smith]

I don't find your summary inaccurate- except for the part about Babe. I think the 768 was oft referenced prior to 626- but a run is a run.

Yes, it was talked about before but mostly as a trivia piece. I could be wrong but I don't remember anyone trying to label it as a sort of official record until recently.

 

[lfigueroa]

If prominent pros question Schmidt's claim, they should speak up, and give reasons. I did see some prominent players ask for clarifications, but that was in response to bogus claims from Danny Harriman et al. No prominent pros have publicly questioned his run that i can find. I did note lots of congratulatory messages from the best players in the game.

The fact remains that the BCA has viewed the video, other prominent players have also viewed the video. There is an affidavid from the people who were there during the run.

The BCA accepted that evidence and formally sanctioned Schmidt's 626 as a new record.

People who question the claim have to show that the evidence was false, not just speculate that Schmidt might have used 'magnetism', or shaved the slates, or had the help of Leprechauns, etc., etc.

If the BCA hasn't asked your opinion on the validity of Schmidt's run, it's because they don't think your opinion matters.

Pretty straightforward i think.

Why do they have to speak up?

There are friendships and politics involved and there would be little benefit to them to voice skepticism.

And as soon as “evidence” read: unedited video of the whole run, is made available we can talk about proving or disproving things. And guess what? The BCA didn’t ask for anyone’s opinion. But that doesn’t mean all of us can’t have one ;-)

Lou Figueroa

 

[JB Cases]

Whoa, there!
No one who questions the “claim” has to provide evidence to prove the “claim’s validity/invalidity. That responsibility to provide proof belongs to the person making that claim. The unquestionable, proof should have been exhibited, immediately, along with the “claim” or retracted.

1. The claim by John has been verified by the record keeping body that matters.

2. The burden of proof is on the accuser. Thus all claims of fraud from Danny or you or anyone else come with the responsibility to prove those claims. Simply demanding that the accused provide anything to the accuser and not getting it is not proof that the accusation is valid.

The accused is actually not required to do anything in a situation like this. The record is in the books, the shows will continue when they can, the advertisements from the sponsor will continue with zero regard for what a teeny, inconsequential, couple people have to say about it.

 

[gerryf]

Whoa, there!
No one who questions the “claim” has to provide evidence to prove the “claim’s validity/invalidity. That responsibility to provide proof belongs to the person making that claim. The unquestionable, proof should have been exhibited, immediately, along with the “claim” or retracted.

Schmidt provided a video and an affidavit to the BCA. The BCA and others reviewed the evidence, and the BCA had the proof they needed to sanction the new record.

The BCA and Schmidt have no responsibility to provide anything to every fly-by-night critic that believes there's a conspiracy to commit fraud. If you have evidence of fraud sufficient to question the BCA's sanctioning then bring it forward.

 

[Black-Balled]

Yes, it was talked about before but mostly as a trivia piece. I could be wrong but I don't remember anyone trying to label it as a sort of official record until recently.

I don't think anyone was suggesting babe's run should replace Willie's...and calling for it to supplant John's run is what we would refer to as 'grasping at straws'.

Seriously, there is so much butthurt about the 626 that the detractors really don't care HOW it is dismissed, just that it IS dismissed.

 

[Black-Balled]

Schmidt provided a video and an affidavit to the BCA. The BCA and others reviewed the evidence, and the BCA had the proof they needed to sanction the new record.

The BCA and Schmidt have no responsibility to provide anything to every fly-by-night critic that believes there's a conspiracy to commit fraud. If you have evidence of fraud sufficient to question the BCA's sanctioning then bring it forward.

Yeah.

And demand to see all security cam video of the pentagon on 9/11.

 

[lfigueroa]

Schmidt provided a video and an affidavit to the BCA. The BCA and others reviewed the evidence, and the BCA had the proof they needed to sanction the new record.

The BCA and Schmidt have no responsibility to provide anything to every fly-by-night critic that believes there's a conspiracy to commit fraud. If you have evidence of fraud sufficient to question the BCA's sanctioning then bring it forward.

Of course.

But none of that means some of us cannot be of the opinion the record is in doubt without the release of unedited video. JS has no responsibility to release anything to anyone. But by the same token, I and others have no responsibility to believe his claim until he does.

Lou Figueroa

 

[gerryf]

Of course.

But none of that means some of us cannot be of the opinion the record is in doubt without the release of unedited video. JS has no responsibility to release anything to anyone. But by the same token, I and others have no responsibility to believe his claim until he does.

Lou Figueroa

Absolutely! And that's the way it should be.

Don't believe the BCA record if you want. That's fine. It's a BCA record and they're responsible for vetting it.

It's as if the Speedy Harriman Institute of Advanced Thinking establishes a record book for all 14.1 records. Mosconi's 526 might get in there, and maybe Danny's 351. But just because Danny Harriman win's a coveted spot on the SHIAT rankings doesn't mean BCA or anyone else has to accept that record.

It's a SHIAT record, and that's all.

 

[lfigueroa]

Absolutely! And that's the way it should be.

Don't believe the BCA record if you want. That's fine. It's a BCA record and they're responsible for vetting it.

It's as if the Speedy Harriman Institute of Advanced Thinking establishes a record book for all 14.1 records. Mosconi's 526 might get in there, and maybe Danny's 351. But just because Danny Harriman win's a coveted spot on the SHIAT rankings doesn't mean BCA or anyone else has to accept that record.

It's a SHIAT record, and that's all.

There’s no need to do that.

Danny Harriman is a great player. Most of us can only dream of shooting as straight as he does. He is a fierce, determined competitor, and cares deeply about the history of the game and the legacy of our sport’s greats. Perhaps he cares too much.

Do I agree with everything he says and/or how he says it? No. But most of us couldn’t carry his cue case.

Lou Figueroa

 

[logical]

If you are running 5 or 600 balls, whether an "opponent" is sitting in a chair wondering why he exists or the chair is empty makes little difference.

If people want to join in on this idiotic thread, at least read the whole idiotic thing so the same idiotic "gotcha" posts aren't made every 4 weeks.

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[Maxx]

I believe the answer to your question is no, he could not.

It took him hundreds of tries under artificially perfect conditions. There is zero chance he is going to walk into a strange room for an exhibition and run 500+ in front of spectators, on any size table, on a single attempt.

Lou Figueroa

Willie only gave one exhibition, wow that was a more impressive run than I thought,

 

[logical]

Willie only gave one exhibition, wow that was a more impressive run than I thought,

Oh he did one most every night for a while and he could have run 900 every night but nobody cared about high runs back then so he just quit after 100...haven't you been reading along?

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[logical]

Gotta master the bridge to make big numbers on a 9 footer. Go to 15:20 if this doesn't do so for you.

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[lfigueroa]

If you are running 5 or 600 balls, whether an "opponent" is sitting in a chair wondering why he exists or the chair is empty makes little difference.

If people want to join in on this idiotic thread, at least read the whole idiotic thing so the same idiotic "gotcha" posts aren't made every 4 weeks.

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Are you serious?!

Having an opponent in the chair makes all the difference in the world at any game.

Lou Figueroa

 

[lfigueroa]

Willie only gave one exhibition, wow that was a more impressive run than I thought,

Willie gave hundreds, perhaps thousands of exhibitions all over the country, in different rooms and on different equipment, with different conditions, 300 days out of every year, for years.

BUT, he only gave *one* exhibition during which he attempted a high run ;-)

Lou Figueroa

 

[lfigueroa]

Oh he did one most every night for a while and he could have run 900 every night but nobody cared about high runs back then so he just quit after 100...haven't you been reading along?

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Who knows what he might have run, if he occasionally or frequently continued, having started out with a run 100 every night.

Lou Figueroa

 

[lfigueroa]

Gotta master the bridge to make big numbers on a 9 footer. Go to 15:20 if this doesn't do so for you.

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(yawn) old men playing pool, well past their prime, with a TV producer telling them: keep it moving.

Lou Figueroa