The Method Telling The Shot Line?

[The_JV]

If I were starting today instead of 30 years ago, I would definitely use an aiming system, as you said, it's a roadmap. You still have to learn the other stuff, but a good aiming system is a good force multiplier for all you do. Once you can aim reliably without one, it makes little sense to learn one other than for academic purposes. I still plan on buying the poolology book, it sounds interesting and I do like to learn other methods.

When I cut my teeth on the snooker table I was using ghost ball.... At least I think I was...lol, it was a long while ago. Sight shot line, then aim line, PSR shoot. Literally just like that video that was recently posted about why aiming systems suck.

Ghost ball was replaced with HAMB after the required amount of time, and I haven't looked back.

Picking up the Poolology book was certainly worth every penny. I hardly scratched the surface but plan to visit the methods for calculating difficult back cuts when I finish engraining my OB last focus.

 

[French Roots]

That is at least my 2nd. weak key strike of the afternoon. I am not a typist. Thanks for catching that. There was a brain fart in there that I fixed. I said CCB when it should be COB.

 

[Valiant Thor]

I was not asking about a players ability to hit center CB with the proper stick alignment. I was asking if there is any other method(or system) that dictates the actual shot line, Why would anyone want to change the way that Earl Strickland or Efren or SBV plays?

Fran Crimi posted that she saw a Pro Player endorsing an Aiming Method & she immediately wondered or suspected if he was struggling & trying to find his game. She said that she found out that that was exactly what it was & within well less than a year he was in no way utilizing the method that he had endorsed, but those endorsements were still out there.

So anyway. Do you know of any method other than Poolology that dictates to the shooter the actual shot line?

CTE PRO ONE

 

[chefjeff]

Expand the "line" into the "plane" of the shot.

This adds another dimension to it that makes it easier to get the all the body parts into it. A line is too limiting, imho.

Also, start with the foot in that plane and keep it there when putting the rest of your body into it. That helps hold the "line" you're looking for and using.


Jeff Livingston

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Expand the "line" into the "plane" of the shot.

This adds another dimension to it that makes it easier to get the all the body parts into it.

Yes, "get in the plane" is my mantra for positioning several key body parts at once.

pj
chgo

 

[Low500]

CTE PRO ONE

Basic CTE w/manual pivot....CTE Pro One....CTE w/Disguised Pivoting....CTE w/ Bustamante Style Pivoting. They ALL send the shooter to a No Imagination Shot Line.
Which (as you've recognized) is the whole purpose of CTE, in the first place.
To send the shooter to a No Imagination Shot Line that keeps him from having to worry about throw, deflection, and other gobbledy-gook.
Then he can go with his flow and let a good stroke put him into "the zone".
The process is so simple...yet so many of the uninformed stumble over it's very simplicity.

 

[JoeyInCali]

Love those Ginzu knives commercials

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Basic CTE w/manual pivot....CTE Pro One....CTE w/Disguised Pivoting....CTE w/ Bustamante Style Pivoting. They ALL send the shooter to a No Imagination Shot Line.

Your CTE ads make much more sense when we remember that you don’t know what words mean.

pj
chgo

 

[Low500]

Love those Ginzu knives commercials

If that's the case, you should enjoy this one also.
It's a gift just for you.

 

[JoeyInCali]

mmm, SPAM

 

[The_JV]

Basic CTE w/manual pivot....CTE Pro One....CTE w/Disguised Pivoting....CTE w/ Bustamante Style Pivoting.

I've always wondered the point in this designation...? Is it just a means to explain how someone may be using CTE even though the tell tale PSR isn't there...?

Can I not as easily claim that someone using CTE "w/Disguised Pivoting", is actually using..., say..., incognito ghost ball...?

 

[Low500]

I've always wondered the point in this designation...? Is it just a means to explain how someone may be using CTE even though the tell tale PSR isn't there...?

Can I not as easily claim that someone using CTE "w/Disguised Pivoting", is actually using..., say..., incognito ghost ball...?

#1 There does not exist any "tell tale" PSR when using any of the CTE approaches. There is somewhat of an exception to that statement when using the Bustamante approach...(which is quite obvious when watching him). It nevertheless takes him right to a No Imagination Shot Line....even in spite of himself.
#2 Anyone can claim that someone is saying "using an incognito ghost ball"......in CTE aiming there is ZERO use of any ghost ball that cannot be seen with the eyes.
There are a number of Pros (and you don't get to know who, either) who openly advocate some kind of "ghost ball". However when they play, a trained observer can detect they are NOT looking for some invisible ball out there. They have evolved over they years by intent or sheer dumb luck to realize that there doesn't exist any "ghost ball".
I HAVE SEEN YOU PLAY. YOU YOURSELF ARE ARRIVING AT A NO IMAGINATION SHOT LINE, IN SPITE OF YOURSELF. YOU ARE NOT USING ANY "GHOST BALL" or "FRACTIONS" (even if you THINK you are)
Pros are arriving at a No Imagination Shot Line...over and over and over and over and over.
Efren Reyes was one of the first. Other Filipinos and Asian players know this, but they ain't running their mouths about it to any self absorbed Americans.
You will NEVER UNDERSTAND any of this until you've immersed yourself in the study of aiming with spheres and how the REAL gearing of spheres works and coordinates with the working of the human eyes.
Hal Houle put this into motion and he mentioned that he started the study from watching and travelling with Greenleaf. If I had to make a guess, I'd bet that Mosconi picked up on the same thing when he traveled with Greenleaf too, in spite of the gobbledy-gook printed in those books of his.
Stan Shuffett (who most all of the naysayers wrongly label as a fool, swindler, and conman) took Houle's basics and spent 20 years of his life assembling the most magnificent encyclopedia of Professional Aiming ever put together for the world of pool. It is called "Center Pocket Music" and there is a reason for that title.
When you hit center pocket with a shot there is a special sound...an abstract form of "music", if you will. CTE sends the object ball to CENTER POCKET...over and over and over and over and over an over and over.
And that's all I have to say to you about that.
Take it or leave it....rest assured the thousands of players who're utilizing the method will not care one bit, one way or the other. They have a world of their own where skeptics are NOT admitted.
Selah.

 

[chefjeff]

I love the sound of a real pool shot.

It has a magic to it.


Jeff Livingston

 

[JoeyInCali]

I've always wondered the point in this designation...? Is it just a means to explain how someone may be using CTE even though the tell tale PSR isn't there...?

Can I not as easily claim that someone using CTE "w/Disguised Pivoting", is actually using..., say..., incognito ghost bal

Disguised pivoting is BULL KAKA.
It's just another fancy term invented to credit a twitching system.

 

[The_JV]

#1 There does not exist any "tell tale" PSR when using any of the CTE approaches. There is somewhat of an exception to that statement when using the Bustamante approach...(which is quite obvious when watching him).

That's interesting... So an observer can't pick out a CTE user 'poking his head out', or sweeping while down on the shot..? Both of those methods/steps are physical movements so I would think someone watching for them should see them. I'm not trained in CTE so I'm obviously guessing at how pronouced those movements may be.

#2 Anyone can claim that someone is saying "using an incognito ghost ball"......in CTE aiming there is ZERO use of any ghost ball that cannot be seen with the eyes.

So we are on the same page as far as what could possibly be happening when someone claims that what they are 'actually' doing is supposedly hidden.

I HAVE SEEN YOU PLAY. YOU YOURSELF ARE ARRIVING AT A NO IMAGINATION SHOT LINE, IN SPITE OF YOURSELF. YOU ARE NOT USING ANY "GHOST BALL" or "FRACTIONS" (even if you THINK you are)

I don't have an issue with you calling my aim line a 'no imagination shot line', even though I think it's a bit misleading using 'shot'. It's actually the line I use to aim, and the path the OB follows is the shot line.

I don't adhere to any system as listed within this forum. However you can feel free to think you know what's going on in my head if you like. I can say the closest thing I do utilize when I'm really bearing down on a shot is in fact 90% ghost ball, 10% HAMB. I'd explain the process to you, but I'm sure you already feel that you know my game better than I do.

Take it or leave it....rest assured the thousands of players who're utilizing the method will not care one bit, one way or the other. They have a world of their own where skeptics are NOT admitted.

I'm indifferent. Just engaging in conversation. Take it or leave it, as you'd say.

 

[cookie man]

That's interesting... So an observer can't pick out a CTE user 'poking his head out', or sweeping while down on the shot..? Both of those methods/steps are physical movements so I would think someone watching for them should see them. I'm not trained in CTE so I'm obviously guessing at how pronouced those movements may be.

So we are on the same page as far as what could possibly be happening when someone claims that what they are 'actually' doing is supposedly hidden.

I don't have an issue with you calling my aim line a 'no imagination shot line', even though I think it's a bit misleading using 'shot'. It's actually the line I use to aim, and the path the OB follows is the shot line.

I don't adhere to any system as listed within this forum. However you can feel free to think you know what's going on in my head if you like. I can say the closest thing I do utilize when I'm really bearing down on a shot is in fact 90% ghost ball, 10% HAMB. I'd explain the process to you, but I'm sure you already feel that you know my game better than I do.

I'm indifferent. Just engaging in conversation. Take it or leave it, as you'd say.

An observer might only know if a newbie was using it and doing an exaggerated head turn or poking out . An experienced CTE player you would not know, everything should look very natural. Unless they are still using the manual half tip pivot. Had a very good player here in Florida when i first moved down using the manual pivot and he was arguably the best amateur in Florida at the time.
As far as someone "thinking they know what you are doing" that is a very common argument here in AZ land, lol. And some people even swear by it.

 

[cookie man]

I love the sound of a real pool shot.

It has a magic to it.


Jeff Livingston

Yes, CENTER POCKET MUSIC is a sweet sound.

 

[cookie man]

Can I not as easily claim that someone using CTE "w/Disguised Pivoting", is actually using..., say..., incognito ghost ball...?

You could but that doesn't make you right, lol. Then you would fall into the crowd that says " I think I know what you are doing"

 

[The_JV]

You could but that doesn't make you right, lol. Then you would fall into the crowd that says " I think I know what you are doing"

lol... exactly. I was baiting that line of thought. Good for the goose... Pot calling kettle...

How can one individual claim to have a handle on my game better than I do by mere observation, but refuse the same claim made against their game.

 

[Low500]

That's interesting... So an observer can't pick out a CTE user 'poking his head out', or sweeping while down on the shot..? Both of those methods/steps are physical movements so I would think someone watching for them should see them. I'm not trained in CTE so I'm obviously guessing at how pronouced those movements may be.

So we are on the same page as far as what could possibly be happening when someone claims that what they are 'actually' doing is supposedly hidden.

I don't have an issue with you calling my aim line a 'no imagination shot line', even though I think it's a bit misleading using 'shot'. It's actually the line I use to aim, and the path the OB follows is the shot line.

I don't adhere to any system as listed within this forum. However you can feel free to think you know what's going on in my head if you like. I can say the closest thing I do utilize when I'm really bearing down on a shot is in fact 90% ghost ball, 10% HAMB. I'd explain the process to you, but I'm sure you already feel that you know my game better than I do.

I'm indifferent. Just engaging in conversation. Take it or leave it, as you'd say.

Yes, I do know what you're doing in your game better than you do yourself. Because I understand sweeping and gearing and you do not.
And you are NOT using any ghost ball that you cannot see.(*although I'm sure you will swear to the world that is what you're doing...…...even though an invisible ball does not exist )
You sure do play good. I'll get there too in due time.