Some Rational, Reasonable, Truthfully Logical, Cognitive Thought Regarding CTE

ProCT fails to identify any shot. The shooter is left to learn to cinch it based on a hyper construct. See how retarded that is? The shot is already sitting there in perfect repose. Shoot THAT.
So when a shot is presented and there are ten 600 speed shooters who will try it and five of them are told an aiming perception like 30ILS and each cte player nails it and the other players are inconsistent what should the observer glean from that?

Perfect repose? What is the variable?
 
I don't think so. It is something beyond money, more like religion. I won't use the four letter "c" word because that causes too much stress (no, not that "c" work, lol).

For most (all?) of the CTE guys all they care about is they play better than before using CTE, so what's wrong with that? Well, by that logic what is wrong with my Jelly Bean system? That's the one where you put two jelly beans in your left pocket and touch them before each shot. Practice 5 specifically defined shots over and over and over and in a few months you will see great improvement. Just be sure you have those jelly beans for that extra confidence boost.

The fact is that they don't "care" how it works because there is no proof for what they claim in selling the product. In fact, there is plenty of proof of the opposite. So, instead of manning up and looking reality, logic and science straight in the eye they choose the cowardly approach by saying, "Well none of that stuff matters. I'm shooting way better with CTE." Then they go ahead and post a youtube video where they miss 11 out of 14 of practically the same shot using CTE and say they better stop embarrassing themselves.

I'm still banking on mohrt being the one to get to the bottom of the issue, pro or con, in his thread.
I think you missed it in Stan's videos where he throws out random shots and nails them over and over. Even with a curtain in the way Stan nails banks, one two and three rails.

Seems like far more than your five setup shot method.

Beyond that if one were to try your touch your jellybeans method the results would be incredibly inconsistent as opposed to cte where the results are incredibly consistent.
 
So when a shot is presented and there are ten 600 speed shooters who will try it and five of them are told an aiming perception like 30ILS and each cte player nails it and the other players are inconsistent what should the observer glean from that?

Perfect repose? What is the variable?
In a full field of actual players, most of the 6s will bomb out. So of those guys, the prepared 5 can do a prepared routine and the other 5 are subject to no criteria in particular. Do they even care? Very ambiguous example - like ProCT itself.
 
I don't think so. It is something beyond money, more like religion. I won't use the four letter "c" word because that causes too much stress (no, not that "c" work, lol).

For most (all?) of the CTE guys all they care about is they play better than before using CTE, so what's wrong with that? Well, by that logic what is wrong with my Jelly Bean system? That's the one where you put two jelly beans in your left pocket and touch them before each shot. Practice 5 specifically defined shots over and over and over and in a few months you will see great improvement. Just be sure you have those jelly beans for that extra confidence boost.

The fact is that they don't "care" how it works because there is no proof for what they claim in selling the product. In fact, there is plenty of proof of the opposite. So, instead of manning up and looking reality, logic and science straight in the eye they choose the cowardly approach by saying, "Well none of that stuff matters. I'm shooting way better with CTE." Then they go ahead and post a youtube video where they miss 11 out of 14 of practically the same shot using CTE and say they better stop embarrassing themselves.

I'm still banking on mohrt being the one to get to the bottom of the issue, pro or con, in his thread.
Interesting that only the video where a person misses a few shots are what you choose to focus on but all the videos where players are making almost everything they shoot at are not mentioned.

Cowardly? Really, so you are saying that anecdotal evidence in the form of one person missing some shots is enough for you to conclude failure of the system but anecdotal video evidence of players making practically everything they shoot at isn't given equal or more weight.

I mean most scientifically literate folks don't see anecdotal evidence as worth much in either direction. But certainly with a small sample size of one person it would be worth even less.

For example have you considered any other factors that might cause a miss in the execution of a shot other than the aiming? Is it possible to be aimed correctly and miss? Is it possible to be aiming correctly and to deliver the stroke perfectly and miss?

When one wants to use words like cowardly it seems that they want to deflect from their own shortcomings. I am not a scientist obviously. But I do understand the basics of the scientific method and that method has not been employed to prove or disprove anything about the center to edge method of aiming.

Seems quite brave actually to put out videos that are first take and unedited, misses included. One who makes such videos must surely know that the misses will be pounced upon by critics. Critics are duty bound to nitpick, it is their nature. So as brave at it might be to put out videos of imperfect shooting while speaking about an aiming method it is then much more impressive when uncut videos of perfect shooting are presented by practicioners of the same aiming method.

On the spectrum of influence doing something perfectly on demand is pretty high up there. Shows what's possible and what a dedicated player can aspire to.
 
In a full field of actual players, most of the 6s will bomb out. So of those guys, the prepared 5 can do a prepared routine and the other 5 are subject to no criteria in particular. Do they even care? Very ambiguous example - like ProCT itself.
Ten players, five of whom aim with specific objective instructions and five who aim by feel. The five system aimers consistently outshoot the others. What conclusion could be drawn from that?
 
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When examining the effectiveness of an aiming system, what should the key metric be..?
  1. How aligned you are in stance?
  2. How straight you deliver the cue?
  3. The CB control afterward?
  4. Successful shot percentage?
Once you determine the key metric, (aka: the improtant data) can it still be classified as nitpicking when focused on during review...? Not according to the definition, but we all know how little weight is applied in that regard in this forum.
 
I think you missed it in Stan's videos where he throws out random shots and nails them over and over. Even with a curtain in the way Stan nails banks, one two and three rails.

Seems like far more than your five setup shot method.

Beyond that if one were to try your touch your jellybeans method the results would be incredibly inconsistent as opposed to cte where the results are incredibly consistent.
The point is that it is the table time put in by the user that makes it work for SOME people, not some ridiculous phenomena on a 2x1 table. That is just marketing jibberish, IMO.
 
Interesting that only the video where a person misses a few shots are what you choose to focus on but all the videos where players are making almost everything they shoot at are not mentioned.

Cowardly? Really, so you are saying that anecdotal evidence in the form of one person missing some shots is enough for you to conclude failure of the system but anecdotal video evidence of players making practically everything they shoot at isn't given equal or more weight.

I mean most scientifically literate folks don't see anecdotal evidence as worth much in either direction. But certainly with a small sample size of one person it would be worth even less.

For example have you considered any other factors that might cause a miss in the execution of a shot other than the aiming? Is it possible to be aimed correctly and miss? Is it possible to be aiming correctly and to deliver the stroke perfectly and miss?

When one wants to use words like cowardly it seems that they want to deflect from their own shortcomings. I am not a scientist obviously. But I do understand the basics of the scientific method and that method has not been employed to prove or disprove anything about the center to edge method of aiming.

Seems quite brave actually to put out videos that are first take and unedited, misses included. One who makes such videos must surely know that the misses will be pounced upon by critics. Critics are duty bound to nitpick, it is their nature. So as brave at it might be to put out videos of imperfect shooting while speaking about an aiming method it is then much more impressive when uncut videos of perfect shooting are presented by practicioners of the same aiming method.

On the spectrum of influence doing something perfectly on demand is pretty high up there. Shows what's possible and what a dedicated player can aspire to.
I am simply using your own standard. You said you know it works because you take it to the table for proof. 11 out of 14 misses says it doesn't work. Cowardly means an inability to reevaluate long held beliefs for fear of looking foolish.
 
Ten players, five of whom aim with specific objective instructions and five who aim by feel. The five system aimers consistently outshoot the others. What conclusion could be drawn from that?
You mean 5 methodicals vs 5 guessers? Quit juggling the specs.
 
No one cares who the publisher is other than those trying to discredit. Of course something like a 400 page book on an obscure method of aiming in pool is going to be self-published. Like that's an issue? Someone tried to insinuate that an ISBN number meant it was "official" and then it was pointed out that any author can get an isbn number.

I don't care about sales and I am pretty sure no one else does either.

The books will sell out of the first run. Calling the printer/publisher is just silliness.

Not a single one of you has ever attacked anyone else's work with such exuberance and effort. Not that I have seen.

The important point is whether the information has practical value or not. The answer is undoubtedly yes in my opinion.

People pay $100 every day millions of times a day for things with far less value. The Center to Edge system has the capability to help the user earn a lot of money far above the initial paltry investment of $100.
Dog won't hunt, John. Everybody knows that you kicked in and kicked in hard. What we want to know is how much you were able to squeeze out of all your "four-flushing" amigos. They talk like they've got deep pockets. C'mon, Man, spill! Tell the troooof! Coupla hun each? A thou from The Big Spenda?

John, are starting to feel a little bit guthooked? Oh, silly me...you might be way beyond that.

"The books will sell out of the first run." How many have sold?

"Calling the printer/publisher is just silliness." You mean silly like saying the "publisher is holding up publication?"
 
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Dog won't hunt, John. Everybody knows that you kicked in and kicked in hard. What we want to know is how much you were able to squeeze out of all your "four-flushing" amigos. They talk like they've got deep pockets. C'mon, Man, spill! Tell the troooof! Coupla hun each? A thou from The Big Spenda?

John, are starting to feel a little bit guthooked? Oh, silly me...you might be way beyond that.

"The books will sell out of the first run." How many have sold?

"Calling the printer/publisher is just silliness." You mean silly like saying the "publisher is holding up publication?"

LOL, you still talking about this? What do you care other than to express snarkiness over someone else's project? I mean that seems kind of a petty way to live if you derive satisfaction over the presumed, hoped-for, speculated "failure" of another. Almost like a part of your daily thinking is wishing and hoping that news of misfortune about the target of your scorn lands in front of you.

I would offer a bet but honestly winning it wouldn't be any fun and I already know that neither you nor anyone else here would ever take it. I think that a lot of folks here are sadly morally bankrupt and I sincerely hope that they are able to overcome that state of being.

Stan is someone who dedicated a decade to a real objective method of aiming. He isn't the only one who picked up this material from Hal Houle and ran with it. Others have done it and created aiming curriculums in their pool schools using various systems they learned from Hal. Only Stan though went farther by creating a body of work to compliment the personal lessons, videos, dvds, and now a comprehensive book.

If you don't see value in that work then honestly that's like your opinion man.... :-) Don't want to learn CTE aiming then don't. But damn it's kind of sad to see people who don't want to learn something spending so much effort to tell people they don't want to learn and going even farther to knock the thing that they don't want to learn. I mean, financially I don't know what their time is worth but to me they have spent far more than $100 in time knocking. Everyone needs hobbies I guess.

For those of us who do see the value $100 is literally nothing. Pretty much every person who plays pool frequently and competitively can afford $100 or can save up $100 in a matter of weeks. For many who do learn it they make the money back by finishing higher in tournaments and in league play. So, whether or not the first run of the books sells out, which it will, it doesn't matter because the value of the information is still way higher than the cost. And with that nothing more needs to be said although I am positive you have more to say.
 
I am simply using your own standard. You said you know it works because you take it to the table for proof. 11 out of 14 misses says it doesn't work. Cowardly means an inability to reevaluate long held beliefs for fear of looking foolish.
Oh, have you aggregated the total shots taken over all the videos and come up with a make percentage OR are you cherry picking your range to suit your desired conclusion? Also how were the shots missed? By wide or narrow margins? What other factors were present? Were the shots taken on a regular table or a scale version with 1.5" balls? What was my glucose level? Was my vision sharp or not when the video was shot? Was I on any medication or not? Following your desire to nitpick wouldn't you think that these details are just as important to know the environment that the data you are using was created in?

And.....no that's not what cowardly means. Cowardly is making BULLSHIT videos trying to discredit someone else's work by deliberately being disingenuous. Know anyone like that? I do, you, I know that you have done this and I personally find it to be disgusting. But whatever floats your boat as they say. You're a super nobody whose opinion and actions have as much of an effect as throwing a pebble into an ocean. So snipe all you want to but you lack the skill to actually do any damage.
 
The point is that it is the table time put in by the user that makes it work for SOME people, not some ridiculous phenomena on a 2x1 table. That is just marketing jibberish, IMO.
Yes time spent mastering a valid method usually leads to that method becoming a reliable tool. The difference is that you think CTE users are turning a screwdriver into a hammer automagically when in fact they are simply learning how to use a better hammer in better ways.
 
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