Southwest type cue

Earl broke with the fiber shaft. I dont think he played with it.

Plus, while companies are giving pros cues to use, they arent just playing with the same exact thing that we would be if we bought the same model. They have their own special customizations to it that are tailored to them, further reinforcing that it's not just the indian, but an arrow tailored to the indian's specifcations will help.
I disagree. Give them ANY straight arrow and they will snipe just as well. They might not like it as much, but they can still hit the same targets just fine.
 
Who makes the closest southwest style cue that hits and and looks like the real thing ? That a working guy can afford ? Wes hunter ? Etc ….
ILgrizz, Howdy;

I don't know SW cues, BUT I have a Wes Hunter, Truly, a stiff shaft. A more straight (conical?), taper, but he could
put most any taper you would like on a shaft for you.

Took my order in Dec. '19. I picked it up from him in May 2020. Extremely happy with it.

hank
 
The problem is that "best available" is wholly subjective. Heck, even the usage of "better" is almost always 100% subjective in the world of pool. What do we even define as standard? Would it be rolls straight, screwed on type, and has a rounded tip that can hold chalk? If so, then every cue from Lucky up can be considered at least a standard "arrow". Beyond that, what makes a Southwest cue better than a Nitti or Jerico? Shoot, what makes a Southwest cue better than a Mezz or even a McDermott? I've shot with one before, wasn't impressed at all. At the same time, I have a Schmelke Sneaky Pete as a house cue for my personal table that can pot balls as well as any cue I own. I bet if we take "feel" and "hit" out of the equation and gave all our cues to a robot, that the vast majority of this board won't like the results.

At the end of the day, things like feel or hit have nothing to do with the actual performance of a cue as long as it shoots true and everything else is 100% in our heads. That's why Earl Strickland could stand at the pinnacle using that POS fiberglass shaft that Cuetec peddled. That's why sponsored pros use whatever cues are given to them in tournaments.
That's why I added "...that is to his liking" to the statement.
 
Earl broke with the fiber shaft. I dont think he played with it.

Plus, while companies are giving pros cues to use, they arent just playing with the same exact thing that we would be if we bought the same model. They have their own special customizations to it that are tailored to them, further reinforcing that it's not just the indian, but an arrow tailored to the indian's specifcations will help.
and Earl said he played with a POS cue was handicapped two balls with it
 
Probably no one. I spent time at the SW shop when Jerry was alive and had not seen a cue built with the same care. They were not just thrown together.

Every cue had tags on them throughout the build prosses. Everything was marked to achieve a predetermined predictable outcome for each cue I'm assuming to the customers preferences.

I have been in quite a few cuemaker shops. Never saw anything like they do at SW. Now, Jerry has been gone for a Long time, I can't say how the shop runs today.

Another thing, with everyone throwing after market CF shafts on cues today, does it really matter who built the butt anymore? I play with a cue I love that I built myself. Have to be honest, I'm probably going to get a CF shaft out of curiosity. I'm open minded.
SW still does everything exactly the same. I believe it is david kershenbrocks nephew running the shop now. I was there about 2 years ago and sat with laurie getting a sw authenticated. I was fortunate to buy my first sw from jerry back in the 80's very cool guy RIP.
 
I disagree. Give them ANY straight arrow and they will snipe just as well. They might not like it as much, but they can still hit the same targets just fine.
Man, that couldnt be further from the truth.

I watched Ronnie Alcano in the finals of a US Open against Shane Van Boening switch back to his Viking from a Predator what what I assume is the other cue is what he was used to. When Shane first hit balls with a Cuetec and what lead to his sponsorship, he said the Cuetec felt like his other cue.

No one on the planet is going to be able to pick up a random cue and start pumping balls in full table with inside english with a random cue off the wall the same way they can with a cue they are used to that is made around their specifications.

That's the whole reason low def shafts are a thing. It's the whole reason custom cuemakers are a thing. It's the reason this thread is a thing. People want something made to their liking because they feel (and in a lot of cases are right) that they will play better with it.
 
Man, that couldnt be further from the truth.

I watched Ronnie Alcano in the finals of a US Open against Shane Van Boening switch back to his Viking from a Predator what what I assume is the other cue is what he was used to. When Shane first hit balls with a Cuetec and what lead to his sponsorship, he said the Cuetec felt like his other cue.

No one on the planet is going to be able to pick up a random cue and start pumping balls in full table with inside english with a random cue off the wall the same way they can with a cue they are used to that is made around their specifications.

That's the whole reason low def shafts are a thing. It's the whole reason custom cuemakers are a thing. It's the reason this thread is a thing. People want something made to their liking because they feel (and in a lot of cases are right) that they will play better with it.
Mostly true. I seem to remember an article back in the day where Pros would go to the manufacturer sponsoring them and hit balls with shaft after shaft after shaft .... until they found the few that they liked.
 
Man, that couldnt be further from the truth.

I watched Ronnie Alcano in the finals of a US Open against Shane Van Boening switch back to his Viking from a Predator what what I assume is the other cue is what he was used to. When Shane first hit balls with a Cuetec and what lead to his sponsorship, he said the Cuetec felt like his other cue.

No one on the planet is going to be able to pick up a random cue and start pumping balls in full table with inside english with a random cue off the wall the same way they can with a cue they are used to that is made around their specifications.

That's the whole reason low def shafts are a thing. It's the whole reason custom cuemakers are a thing. It's the reason this thread is a thing. People want something made to their liking because they feel (and in a lot of cases are right) that they will play better with it.

We will just have to disagree then. All pros can adjust their patterns or side spin usage after a couple of games unless you think they will stubbornly stick with using it the exact same way of shooting.

"People want something made to their liking because they feel (and in a lot of cases are right) that they will play better with it."
Like I said, psychological
 
We will just have to disagree then. All pros can adjust their patterns or side spin usage after a couple of games unless you think they will stubbornly stick with using it the exact same way of shooting.

"People want something made to their liking because they feel (and in a lot of cases are right) that they will play better with it."
Like I said, psychological
Maybe but Alcano said his speed control suffered from using a low def shaft .
To each his own .
Dennis dropped the cf shaft he was using when he missed badly on a soft inside spin putt .
The ball swerved and he missed badly . And that was after he ran 10 racks .
Went back to wood .
Appleton has gone back to wood as well.
They do what they want to do.
 
We will just have to disagree then. All pros can adjust their patterns or side spin usage after a couple of games unless you think they will stubbornly stick with using it the exact same way of shooting.

"People want something made to their liking because they feel (and in a lot of cases are right) that they will play better with it."
Like I said, psychological
Years ago when Meucci was recruiting like every player they had to learn to play with a Meucci. They all managed to. I doubt any player would like to pick up a cue they never played with cold and have to play under pressure though.
 
Years ago when Meucci was recruiting like every player they had to learn to play with a Meucci. They all managed to. I doubt any player would like to pick up a cue they never played with cold and have to play under pressure though.
I completely agree there are differences between cues, but they are not differences that objectively affect the performance of a cue itself and are differences caused by preference and what one is accustomed to. That is why people say that it’s the Indian and not the arrow or whatever variation one might want to use.
 
I completely agree there are differences between cues, but they are not differences that objectively affect the performance of a cue itself and are differences caused by preference and what one is accustomed to. That is why people say that it’s the Indian and not the arrow or whatever variation one might want to use.
It's also kind of a chicken in the egg type of thing. What somebody likes might be what they learn to like in the beginning.

Not necessarily because one thing is better than the other. Because if one thing was actually better than the other, all people would ultimately come to the same conclusion and do the same thing. But they don't.
 
Let's use a real indian for an example...
What would an Indian from 1850 think of today's compound bows with carbon fiber arrows and mechanical broad heads?

Given the choice, do you think he would stick to wood bows with gut string, and wooden arrows with flint arrow heads? Or would that skilled Indian see the advantages of the new-to-him technology and apply his substantial skill to that new technology?
 
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That's not true either. When hunting, skill doesn't mean shit if you dont have the necessary tool to take down your quarry. You need both, good skill, good equipment.

I will take skill, tracing, and experience.

If all you you needed was gear, anyone with bucks could be great.

Just buy Pro gear, would be answer. It’s not.🐂💩
 
Sorry..... No, I didnt. Even someone instantly transporting from the 1970s and the 1980s would be in awe of how far bows and arrows have come since then.
 
I will take skill, tracing, and experience.

If all you you needed was gear, anyone with bucks could be great.

Just buy Pro gear, would be answer. It’s not.🐂💩
Are you really this dense ?
Nobody is asking for your analogy .
You with a SW is not going to the Taiwanese pros who play with SW.
MANY people like SW for whatever reason . You're just a buzz kill .
The OP asked for cues like SW. HE DOESN'T NEED YOUR SERMON .
WE GET IT . A D Player with a SW is still A D player until he becomes better .
I think your parents left you in the mall on purpose .

There are other makers who have SW's odd taper.
Those are the closest you can get to SW if you wanted one close to SW .
 
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