Call it the "Butthurt Open, Where 'Woke' Ain't no Joke".
Ohio Open, US PRO SERIES
- Thread starter Dimeball
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Here's what it comes down to. We can play this format and be perfectly happy. We can also play formats that are more traditional. We can do both. It gives a little variety. What is wrong with that? Live and Let Live. We don't all have to do it the way one person wants it done.
I would be perfectly happy to play in this type of format. I would be perfectly happy playing in a race to 7 or 9 or 11. I'm perfectly happy playing in mini tournaments where the brackets are erased at 3 in the winter side, and erase tattoo in the loser site. I'm happy when I'm playing pool... That's all there is to it
I would be perfectly happy to play in this type of format. I would be perfectly happy playing in a race to 7 or 9 or 11. I'm perfectly happy playing in mini tournaments where the brackets are erased at 3 in the winter side, and erase tattoo in the loser site. I'm happy when I'm playing pool... That's all there is to it
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Maybe its just Fargo that sux?
It's not really about tradition, it's about real pro pool. This format is a regional format at best and it has no room in pro pool. I'd be good with a 3 set Race to 5 but deciding a match with spot shots is absurd. It rewards mediocrity instead of pushing people to get better. You got to put in a lot of time and have quite a bit of seasoning to beat Shane or any other Top 10 player in a Race to 11 but in the 4, 4, shootout format anything can happen regardless of skill level. The data I posted proves it. IMO, no pride in beating one of the world's best on a gaff shot. Weak sauce.
It's possible but what else do we have to go by?
Another detriment to this format: falsely inflated Fargo Ratings. Each of the players above will have their Fargo Ratings elevated possibly because they can shoot spot shots.
Look, I get where you're coming from. You want the traditional way to battle it out on a pool table. There's nothing wrong with that. You start the first sentence by say it's not about tradition. Then the whole rest of the paragraph is that pros need to play traditional pool.
Again, there's nothing wrong with that. We can play traditional pool. But it does not have to be that way all of the time. We can have a little variety and still hold with the traditional way of doing things. Well, it can be done in my world... Maybe not in your world.
I am not in opposition to alternate formats, just opposed to THIS format.
If the leadership of this series do not see a problem with 90% of the Top 10 players forgoing the events because the format is a joke, it will not succeed. This sucks because this has been the first attempt at an organized pro tour in some time but they are missing the mark on the format from a player's perspective and a majority of the fan's perspective.
LOL and everybody in communist China "agreed" to give all power to the Chinese government...lol
When that's all there is, I don't know that I'd call it agreeing to it.
Jaden
Fortunski's cue broke and played the rest of the match with his break cue.
That's unfortunate...LOL. The butt or the shaft?
This is clearly correct. Playing the game in a way that is completely unfamiliar to the casual player seems to be the mission of many a pool producer/promoter. That why we've seen things like this format, ten ball last, money ball doesn't count on the break, the break box, bonus ball and, worse than all of them, call shot / call safe rules. The casual fan will want to see the game they know played the way they play it at the highest possible level, and pool tends not to give it to them. Matchroom is, of course, an exception, standardizing the game and making it as recognizable as possible to the casual fan.
While there is a kernel of truth in what you say, I've always had a hard time with it whenever somebody suggests that pool doesn't succeed because of the lack of money in it. A few decades ago, golf had no money in it and tennis had no money in it, but these sports managed their image and developed their professional product and productions over time and now pro golfers and tennis players at the highest level have big incomes. High prize money will be a consequence, not a cause of a boom in interest in professional pool.
As Kevin Trudeau proved beyond the shadow of a doubt, throwing big money at pool is not enough to generate significant demand for the pro pool product, and until the day when revenues can justify such prize funds, the result of any such attempt will be a business model that unravels quickly and a business that disappears just as speedily.
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What I meant was is they agreed to the rules, they had the option to play or not play. It has nothing to do with the Communist in China.
And what I meant is that when that's the only option in order to play, you play...just like when you don't have a choice in communist China...
Jaden
OH that's not entirely what I meant or said. Throwing money at it isn't the answer. You have to market it to generate an audience, namely market it correctly to the casual player. Once you get a decent audience, the money will come and it's the money that will draw in the complete NON-PLAYER... Remember, I didn't say just the money, I said that the non-player will be drawn to pool when becoming a pro player gets you both rich AND famous...
Jaden
Yes, if that's the only option. But obviously that's not true. I have never said or will I never say that the two sets of four format should be the only way we play pool. What I'm saying and what I will always say is a little variety never hurt anybody.And what I meant is that when that's the only option in order to play, you play...just like when you don't have a choice in communist China...
Jaden
I understand you point however, mid to low level pro's do not have much opportunity to earn money playing. This is their chance whether they like the format or not. Just because they agree to the rules, doesn't mean they have to like them. Top level players have more opportunity so they can pick and choose where/when they compete.
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And I believe the best way to do that is start people off playing pool very young. Around the junior high level. You have to do it before they have no time for it or no interest for it or both
When you're a pro player and you HAVE to play in as many events as possible to put food on the table, you play in the tourneys that pay out the most. This is the tour that is paying out the most at this moment, so they play...liking, or agreeing with the format doesn't come into it when there aren't viable alternatives.
JAden
Agreed, just not this variety...lol.
In your opinion. You say it like no one else's opinion even matters.