LD shaft recommendation.

garczar said:
I read/watch because they've actually done the tests. Unlike you who just keep spouting decades-old pool fables. You're the one that either doesn't understand or is too stubborn to face facts. Oh btw, the word is 'lose' not 'loose'. You probably won't believe that either.
Click to expand...
The fact that you can deflect the cue ball more when you want to is a powerful tool if you know how to use is. Sure, it's another variable, but one that can be mastered to great effect. I can cut much thinner with a regular shaft as I can deflect the cue ball off line and bring it back with applied spin. It's kind of a half masse shot, but it's not nearly as easy to do with an LD. I won't say that you can generate more spin with a regular shaft, but you sure can easily get some action that's very difficult with an LD. Not all LD are created equal either. Some are whippy, some stiff. I think this is a personal preference, but I really don't like the whippy ones.

Under normal play it shouldn't be much of an issue, but when you need that one "trick shot" your opponent left you to finish a rack it can mean the world. Fables or not, in the right hands a high deflection shaft is one other option available to run out. If the deflection isn't there to play with you just lost one option in your toolbox.
 
boogieman said:
The fact that you can deflect the cue ball more when you want to is a powerful tool if you know how to use is. Sure, it's another variable, but one that can be mastered to great effect. I can cut much thinner with a regular shaft as I can deflect the cue ball off line and bring it back with applied spin. It's kind of a half masse shot, but it's not nearly as easy to do with an LD. I won't say that you can generate more spin with a regular shaft, but you sure can easily get some action that's very difficult with an LD. Not all LD are created equal either. Some are whippy, some stiff. I think this is a personal preference, but I really don't like the whippy ones.

Under normal play it shouldn't be much of an issue, but when you need that one "trick shot" your opponent left you to finish a rack it can mean the world. Fables or not, in the right hands a high deflection shaft is one other option available to run out. If the deflection isn't there to play with you just lost one option in your toolbox.
Click to expand...
Why not just aim 'thinner'? Why the need to deflect it to a thinner it? End result is same, a thinner hit.
 
garczar said:
Why not just aim 'thinner'? Why the need to deflect it to a thinner it? End result is same, a thinner hit.
Click to expand...


Good point about why need. No need, advertising get your extra spendable income like strip clubs.

Some buy pool Cues,, others help pay strippers rent.
 
garczar said:
Why not just aim 'thinner'? Why the need to deflect it to a thinner it? End result is same, a thinner hit.
Click to expand...
You can only aim so thin. If a CB deflects off line and goes back into the OB, you can get it very thin. We're talking a few degrees, but occasionally those few degrees matter. It's not a huge thing, but it is a thing. You can also use the deflection with a slight pivot/elevation to use inside or outside on such a hit. It seems very unreliable, but once you get it down it's very consistent. It's about speed control and the deflection does the rest.

I'm not trying to say that this makes regular shafts superior, just that it's a thing. If you've mastered that thing and incorporated it into your game, it feels very lacking to no longer have that tool.
 
bbb said:
Just to confuse you more
Research keilwood shafts
They are torrified maple
Lower deflection
They might be the happy shaft for you that has qualities of both
I have some from richard hsu i might sell
I liked them but use a revo now
Click to expand...
I am actually considering the Schmelke Kielwood shaft. I have two Schmelke cues and one needs a new shaft or two. I like having two shafts in case something happens or I need to drop off one to get the tip replaced. Schmelke likes to have the cue so they can fit the shaft which means I either buy two or have to send the cue back to get the second one fitted if I like it. If I like it that much, I won't want to go that long without the cue. I guess I could order one and have a local guy fit it and do the same for a second shaft. It's just a mighty expensive experiment. I don't think the equipment makes the player but I haven't seen any small wooden racquets at Wimbledon in quite some time.
 
tomatoshooter said:
I am actually considering the Schmelke Kielwood shaft. I have two Schmelke cues and one needs a new shaft or two. I like having two shafts in case something happens or I need to drop off one to get the tip replaced. Schmelke likes to have the cue so they can fit the shaft which means I either buy two or have to send the cue back to get the second one fitted if I like it. If I like it that much, I won't want to go that long without the cue. I guess I could order one and have a local guy fit it and do the same for a second shaft. It's just a mighty expensive experiment. I don't think the equipment makes the player but I haven't seen any small wooden racquets at Wimbledon in quite some time.
Click to expand...
If your cues are the same pin, it shouldn't be a big deal. Just use another shaft until the KW comes back. FWIW, I have a Schmelke KW & like it. I can't say how it compares to other KW shafts b/c I haven't tried any others. I have 3 other shafts w/ the same pin, so it wouldn't faze me to be w/o it for a while.
 
measureman said:
I beg to differ.
I had a Schon cue that I foolishly sold and bought a Meucci in the mid 80's.
I was amazed at how little effort it took to move the cue ball as opposed to the Schon.
The Schon was very stiff and the Meucci was whippy.
Click to expand...


That is the reason the majority of pros used Meucci cues back then.
 
HawaiianEye said:
That is the reason the majority of pros used Meucci cues back then.
Click to expand...
Holly smoke I'm going to put my 2 cents on this. Ask yourself this question why do we get more power to break with a very hard tip. The cue makes contact with the cue ball if the shaft is wippy or the tip is soft then you get a certain level of compression from the contact. More compression allow the tip to stay connected to the cue ball longer to apply action but you get a lost of kinetic energy but not large amount but enough to change the friction characteristic of the tip to the cue ball. Same thing as a wippy shaft but with the combination of the bow action in the shaft cause by compression of the kinetic energy during the stroke and impact with the cue ball. You can control the bow action of the shaft by the weight of the end mass which determine the micro second time from the transfer of power of the cue to the cue ball. Low deflection cues are trying to balance the bow action of the shaft while not loosing too much of the kinetic energy. If the shaft is too wippy you lose energy and some sense control if the shaft is too stiff you get lot of squirt but better linear action but your splitting hairs in all of this since your talking things that happen in milliseconds. The higher the end mass the faster the kinetic transfers of the cue to the cue ball but having greater deflection. It's the quick transfer that create the deflection The lower the end mass the slower the kinetic transfer of the cue to the cue ball allowing time for the shaft to bow more and keeping contact with the cue ball longer producing less deviation because of the bowing action. For you gun people it's like comparing 250 grain bullet to a 100 grain bullet. Which one will have the most kinetic energy on impact? Of course we are not factoring in acceleration in this at this point which does have a factor in all of this as well. Kinetic energy is directly proportional to the mass of the object and to the square of its velocity. The lamination process it too give more bowing consistency to the shaft while a whippy plain shaft the bowing action can be dependent on angle of impact and the grain hardness of the wood so to be consistent you would want to shoot from the same angle placement all the time. You don't have to worry about this with carbon since it is perfectly concentric. Torrification hardens the wood fiber making for a more concentric as well as having less variation between softer and harder wood sections.
 
Last edited:
if you separated your sentences some it would make it easier to read
just sayin
.................
.................
shojingod
Holly smoke I'm going to put my 2 cents on this. Ask yourself this question why do we get more power to break with a very hard tip. The cue makes contact with the cue ball if the shaft is wippy or the tip is soft then you get a certain level of compression from the contact. More compression allow the tip to stay connected to the cue ball longer to apply action but you get a lost of kinetic energy but not large amount but enough to change the friction characteristic of the tip to the cue ball.
Same thing as a wippy shaft but with the combination of the bow action in the shaft cause by compression of the kinetic energy during the stroke and impact with the cue ball. You can control the bow action of the shaft by the weight of the end mass which determine the micro second time from the transfer of power of the cue to the cue ball.
Low deflection cues are trying to balance the bow action of the shaft while not loosing too much of the kinetic energy. If the shaft is too wippy you lose energy and some sense control if the shaft is too stiff you get lot of squirt but better linear action but your splitting hairs in all of this since your talking things that happen in milliseconds.
The higher the end mass the faster the kinetic transfers of the cue to the cue ball but having greater deflection. It's the quick transfer that create the deflection The lower the end mass the slower the kinetic transfer of the cue to the cue ball allowing time for the shaft to bow more and keeping contact with the cue ball longer producing less deviation because of the bowing action.
For you gun people it's like comparing 250 grain bullet to a 100 grain bullet. Which one will have the most kinetic energy on impact? Of course we are not factoring in acceleration in this at this point which does have a factor in all of this as well. Kinetic energy is directly proportional to the mass of the object and to the square of its velocity.
The lamination process it too give more bowing consistency to the shaft while a whippy plain shaft the bowing action can be dependent on angle of impact and the grain hardness of the wood so to be consistent you would want to shoot from the same angle placement all the time. You don't have to worry about this with carbon since it is perfectly concentric. Torrification hardens the wood fiber making for a more concentric as well as having less variation between softer and harder wood sections.
 
bbb said:
if you separated your sentences some it would make it easier to read
just sayin
.................
.................
shojingod
Holly smoke I'm going to put my 2 cents on this. Ask yourself this question why do we get more power to break with a very hard tip. The cue makes contact with the cue ball if the shaft is wippy or the tip is soft then you get a certain level of compression from the contact. More compression allow the tip to stay connected to the cue ball longer to apply action but you get a lost of kinetic energy but not large amount but enough to change the friction characteristic of the tip to the cue ball.
Same thing as a wippy shaft but with the combination of the bow action in the shaft cause by compression of the kinetic energy during the stroke and impact with the cue ball. You can control the bow action of the shaft by the weight of the end mass which determine the micro second time from the transfer of power of the cue to the cue ball.
Low deflection cues are trying to balance the bow action of the shaft while not loosing too much of the kinetic energy. If the shaft is too wippy you lose energy and some sense control if the shaft is too stiff you get lot of squirt but better linear action but your splitting hairs in all of this since your talking things that happen in milliseconds.
The higher the end mass the faster the kinetic transfers of the cue to the cue ball but having greater deflection. It's the quick transfer that create the deflection The lower the end mass the slower the kinetic transfer of the cue to the cue ball allowing time for the shaft to bow more and keeping contact with the cue ball longer producing less deviation because of the bowing action.
For you gun people it's like comparing 250 grain bullet to a 100 grain bullet. Which one will have the most kinetic energy on impact? Of course we are not factoring in acceleration in this at this point which does have a factor in all of this as well. Kinetic energy is directly proportional to the mass of the object and to the square of its velocity.
The lamination process it too give more bowing consistency to the shaft while a whippy plain shaft the bowing action can be dependent on angle of impact and the grain hardness of the wood so to be consistent you would want to shoot from the same angle placement all the time. You don't have to worry about this with carbon since it is perfectly concentric. Torrification hardens the wood fiber making for a more concentric as well as having less variation between softer and harder wood sections.
Click to expand...
My bad. I wrote it very fast.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top