New look of the Joss cue points

Biloxi Boy said:
What about Predator? I know they seem to be the cues that many folks love to hate, but they have seriously sharp points on their old basic production models -- green and black veneered sneaky petes, for instance. I have not examined any other Predators, but I just checked mine out, and it and has sharp points. I cannot swear as to the outside (black) veneer but the others are classic "split in the middle" veneers. I have been wondering a while -- if Predator can do it, why can't Schon? Any ideas?
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There are many Schon cues that have sharp points. It was wholly a matter of choice for Evan Clarke, who some credit as being the first cuemaker to use CNC to create points before he was working at Schon. He literally was a pioneer, not the copier. Tough to call the guy who pioneers the look as “lazy.”
 
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Cornerman said:
There are many Schon cues that have sharp points. It was wholly a matter of choice for Evan Clarke, who some credit as being the first cuemaker to use CNC to create points before he was working at Schon. He literally was a pioneer, not the copier. Tough to call the guy who pioneers the look as “lazy.”
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Sharp points for way under $200.
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Vector Caliber C20

The Caliber C20 has classic styling with modern materials and quality. The multiple points with veneers are inlayed in to the Maple forearm. These are real points that come to a precisely carved tip unlike most points in cues today. The ebony sleeve has numerous mother of pearl dots and diamond...
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Rounded points,cheap,fast and lazy I hate them.
 
measureman said:
Sharp points for way under $200.
www.billiards.com

Vector Caliber C20

The Caliber C20 has classic styling with modern materials and quality. The multiple points with veneers are inlayed in to the Maple forearm. These are real points that come to a precisely carved tip unlike most points in cues today. The ebony sleeve has numerous mother of pearl dots and diamond...
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Rounded points,cheap,fast and lazy I hate them.
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Ernie Gutierrez never did v-splice points. Tough to call what he does as lazy as well.

I get what you’re saying, but the blanket doesn’t fit everyone.
 
str8eight said:
Round bits leave a radius at the tips. This radius can be hidden easily in dark woods.


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Oh you are talking about hiding the radius, cause it's still there regardless of what the wood is. Seems like it would be easier to have the points veneered with a matching color of the butt wood to eat, or disguise, the radius, so the first opposing color point would be sharp. It's deception as well, but it's certainly not a short cut to making points in cues.
 
Renegade_56 said:
Oh you are talking about hiding the radius, cause it's still there regardless of what the wood is. Seems like it would be easier to have the points veneered with a matching color of the butt wood to eat, or disguise, the radius, so the first opposing color point would be sharp. It's deception as well, but it's certainly not a short cut to making points in cues.
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Yep that’s one way to do it.


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I'd still buy a Josswest or Ginacue.

In fact - has Ernie ever made a spliced cue? Not using someone else's blank or a Titlist. How were those old 8 pointers made?
 
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I wouldn't begin to know how to make a cue. I have a hard enough time helping my son make a fast and sleek-looking pinewood derby car:) I look at cues as a tool, a work of art, excellent craftmanship, and in dire straits a weapon. I respect cue makers, no matter where they're from, whether it's from a production facility, or a lone builder in a shop somewhere. I think it's amazing what these people do and wouldn't consider any of them lazy, although they're human and will make mistakes, etc. My Schon SL-8 with CNC points can flat out hit, it's consistent and looks pristine even after roughly 30 years of use. I also have sharp pointed cues, which I personally prefer, although I surely wish some of them could crack and move the balls like that Schon does.
 
It's a matter of personal preference. As long as some folks will accept round points, they will be made. Personally, I prefer full spliced cues which, by their nature, have sharp points. I understand CNC, and appreciate the art, but CNC is just not my thing. I suppose this makes me a traditionalist.
Cues I own with "round" points were either won or gifted. I would not buy a cue with round points, but I will play with one -- love the way Schons, old and new, play.
 
Yes, I hate those rounded points also.
1. Screws up the cues balance.
2. Causes way more deflection.
3. Messes up the pure harmonics of the woods.
4. Rounded points cause way too many misses on simple shots.
5. I ran 75 balls with sharp points and my best ever with rounded points is 4.

I could go on and on and on!🤪😜
 
str8eight said:
It’s funny that people associate CNC with being lazy. I started out making traditional full splices which some will argue is one of the most complicated construction methods you can do. My rings and other things are made on the cnc and I can assure you it’s just as involved as my splicing.


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Cnc is fine but it takes all the craftsmanship out of the product
 
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