Could a B player run 100 balls on the world record table?
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I don't know what letter rating I should have, but my unsubstaniated fargo is ~660. I've managed to get by a 100 a couple times last year on a table with 5" pockets but really open miters, 146. In theory the 146 makes it a tougher table, but if you play to the inside not having the point sticking out makes them huge.
Interesting that you say 4.5" is the standard for GC. Vast majority of room tables are not that tight.
There's advantages to larger pockets for sure. IMHO that's the way 14.1 should be played. Regardless of pocket size you still need the chops to work the CB.
Yes. I know some high B’s from Philly who claim a high run in the 100 range on factory GC pockets. This table is way easier.
No.
It's a funny thing but what looks really easy, even on soft equipment, is not so easy.
Lou Figueroa
We have a 10 footer with 4-1/4” corners with 143° pocket facing angles, and 4-3/4” side pockets.
This is all hypothetical but I doubt Jayson or anyone else could run 300 balls even if given unlimited tries for a week. It’s impossible to compare the two tables or any two different tables for that matter, so we’ll never know.
You must not like your customers very much Chris...lol.
Can't imagine how tough those specs would play
It’s certainly a challenge for any level of player, but it’s funny this misconception recreational ball bangers have thinking that practicing on a super tough table will make them better! It’s quite sad to watch, which is why we generally keep it covered up, so those type of players can’t play on it.
Mosconi ran 526 balls on easy pockets also. He did not have super fast cloth being used here. So his record might stand still as the most ever ran on an eight foot table. In other sports records are being broken because modern equipment and conditions make things easier. It is just a fact. I woild love to run a 100 on that table, but with never breaking out of the 50s before I doubt I could do it.
dendweller
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I've found that out playing equal offense, looks easy, you can shoot any ball
Lou, I’d really like to know more about the racking template you guys used, as I might want to try one out on our tables? I never saw anyone remove anything from the table after the breaks, so was it simply a transparent colored template or something more permanent, and does/did it not affect balls rolling over the holes at slow speeds?
B player not going to run 100 balls. Let's not denigrate a huge and awesome accomplishment!
I found one, bought it, and installed it after watching Shane's attempts. It's gives a consistent rack, but I don't think it really gives any significant advantage in 14.1 other than not getting a slug every now and then. I will try to dig up where I got it from. The "donuts" are just standard 3M stickers. The real value is the template.
Perma-rack. Doesn't affect roll-off in the breaking area any worse than the divots on a well trained table. I can't believe it's not more popular, works great.
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I just bought one for my table
Permarack from ebay, he demonstrates that a ball does not deflect off the spots
No,
7+ racks, 8 break shots, need good position and no trouble for an hour or more
I wish a B player could do it, but it not going to happen
7+ racks, 8 break shots, need good position and no trouble for an hour or more
I wish a B player could do it, but it not going to happen
This isn't all or nothing here everyone. Two things can both be true. 1) 714 or 626 is a ridiculous achievement regardless of pocket size, and 2) Soft equipment makes a huge difference. BOTH ARE TRUE.
OP is right. Big pockets have three big advantages:
1) Pocketing. Many runs end with a miss, where a ball wobbles and doesn't quite fall. This simply happens much less often on soft equipment. Combination shots, balls down the rail that wobble a bit, just stuff that's a little rough. When these things just suck in with a shallow shelf it's a breath of fresh air. I've heard it said that most players that ran 100 actually ran 30 a few times connected by balls that fell in that shouldn't have gone.
2) Cheating the pocket. YES YES YES. OP is right on. With big pockets you can cheat freely, and this really increases your control over the cue ball and your ability to create angles needed to nudge around other balls. If you want to get an idea of how important this is, play on a regular table and play with the rule where you get to move the cue ball 2" after every shot. It's a small thing, but on every shot it adds up to a huge difference.
3) Dead combos. On almost every straight pool rack there are secondary break shots. This means you have to clear the blocked pockets, get on the break ball, open the rack again, and get the cue ball clear for a shot. When there is a dead combo in the stack you can bypass all of that and just whack the combo in at speed and rip everything apart. Well, on a tight table there might only be a dead combo in the stack 1 in 5-10 racks. On soft equipment it's more like 1 in 3 because you can play shots that you trust will go. That's a big advantage.
4) Stamina. We all know that focus is a huge thing in straight pool. In general the easier the game is, the less effort we expend, and the longer we can keep going. Even if someone was technically sound enough to run straight pool on a Chinese 8 ball table, the effort required would wear them out much, much faster. If someone is going to post a big run it has to be on a table where they can auto-pilot, they don't have to dig deep to put down testy shots, they can just throw them at the pocket and trust they'll find their way in.
Newer cloth also makes a huge difference, as does the template rack.
OK, none of this takes away from Shaw. I am totally awestruck and inspired by his performance. I've watched a lot of the run very closely and learned a bit by him. Some technical knowledge, other bits just a swift kick in the rear that tells me I have to elevate my own game and showing me what's possible.
But on my table, with fair but stern pockets, broken in cloth, triangle rack, normal pool hall balls, etc, it just doesn't work the same. I have to be realistic. I don't know exactly, but I'd expect that a run of 100 on my table would equate to a run of 150 on the softer table.
I just wish we could agree on both points without thinking acknowledging the impact of soft equipment equates to hating on John or Jayson. Now for those people who do minimize these accomplishments, that's different! Open fire on those guys!
OP is right. Big pockets have three big advantages:
1) Pocketing. Many runs end with a miss, where a ball wobbles and doesn't quite fall. This simply happens much less often on soft equipment. Combination shots, balls down the rail that wobble a bit, just stuff that's a little rough. When these things just suck in with a shallow shelf it's a breath of fresh air. I've heard it said that most players that ran 100 actually ran 30 a few times connected by balls that fell in that shouldn't have gone.
2) Cheating the pocket. YES YES YES. OP is right on. With big pockets you can cheat freely, and this really increases your control over the cue ball and your ability to create angles needed to nudge around other balls. If you want to get an idea of how important this is, play on a regular table and play with the rule where you get to move the cue ball 2" after every shot. It's a small thing, but on every shot it adds up to a huge difference.
3) Dead combos. On almost every straight pool rack there are secondary break shots. This means you have to clear the blocked pockets, get on the break ball, open the rack again, and get the cue ball clear for a shot. When there is a dead combo in the stack you can bypass all of that and just whack the combo in at speed and rip everything apart. Well, on a tight table there might only be a dead combo in the stack 1 in 5-10 racks. On soft equipment it's more like 1 in 3 because you can play shots that you trust will go. That's a big advantage.
4) Stamina. We all know that focus is a huge thing in straight pool. In general the easier the game is, the less effort we expend, and the longer we can keep going. Even if someone was technically sound enough to run straight pool on a Chinese 8 ball table, the effort required would wear them out much, much faster. If someone is going to post a big run it has to be on a table where they can auto-pilot, they don't have to dig deep to put down testy shots, they can just throw them at the pocket and trust they'll find their way in.
Newer cloth also makes a huge difference, as does the template rack.
OK, none of this takes away from Shaw. I am totally awestruck and inspired by his performance. I've watched a lot of the run very closely and learned a bit by him. Some technical knowledge, other bits just a swift kick in the rear that tells me I have to elevate my own game and showing me what's possible.
But on my table, with fair but stern pockets, broken in cloth, triangle rack, normal pool hall balls, etc, it just doesn't work the same. I have to be realistic. I don't know exactly, but I'd expect that a run of 100 on my table would equate to a run of 150 on the softer table.
I just wish we could agree on both points without thinking acknowledging the impact of soft equipment equates to hating on John or Jayson. Now for those people who do minimize these accomplishments, that's different! Open fire on those guys!
You might add that The game has always been played on and accepted easier playing conditions as standard, end of story.
Possibly
I also think there are pro players that wouldn't run 300 balls on the table Jayson broke the record on.
dendweller
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That may be changing the 2021 14.1 championship was on diamonds like many other tournaments. Unless they got diamond to put together some tables with 5 inch pockets I'd think at best they were 4.75, but were probably 4.5.