Statement from The Legends of Pocket Billiards

kanzzo said:
5 1/8'' is 5.125 this pocket is precisely 5.25. This photo was provided by Jayson after his record run.

If I zoom in on this photo on my monitor, then the two balls are 14.4 cm and pocket corner to corner is 16.8 cm. So no matter what your monitor and resolution, the pocket is 168/144 times bigger then the 2 balls. Since diameter of an aramith ball is exactly 2 1/4 '' this picture corresponds to exactly 5 1/4'' pockets (and 139° angle of the cushions)


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I'm very familiar with the OpenCV algorithms used by that website and you will get radically different distance measurements when you have minor offsets in camera angle and attitude. You could experiment with your own pockets and see how estimated distances vary with small movements in the camera.

I defer to the experts as to the actual size of these pockets or if any of it matters. The live stream was awesome at least.
 
lfigueroa said:
My, you are a delicate snowflake.

Lou Figueroa
“lashing out” again, lol
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Bobby promised free stream of all runs in the start of the Challenge. Some viewers got attracted to your challenge because of this statement. The number of viewers created revenue from advertising. So people believing the myth of free stream on Facebook created revenue for you.

On the day of the record run Bobby still remembered his promise. He was sorry, stream went down. He said, he wants to get sure the recording of the run is not disturbed. He will upload the full video later that day.

And then he had the epiphany, that he could get more money by offering the run as pay per view.

Yeah, that really sounds like a honest mistake in the heat of the moment.

Your snowflake
 
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kanzzo said:
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Bobby promised free stream of all runs in the start of the Challenge. Some viewers got atteacted to your challenge because of this statement. The number of viewers creted revenue from advertising. So people believing the myth of free stream on Facebook created revenue for you.

On the day of the record run Bobby still remembered his promise. He was sorry, stream went down. He said, he wants to get sure the recording of the run is not disturbed. He will upload the full video later that day.

And then he had the epiphany, that he could get more money by offering the run as pay per view.

Yeah, that really sounds like a honest mistake in the heat of the moment.

Your snowflake
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Well said.

His troll
 
To test the photo analysis skills, what do you guys measure my pockets at? I tried to set up the picture the same as Jayson’s. This is a stock GC4. Always privately owned. 3rd recovering. Some wear on the pocket facings they are not perfectly straight. After the results, I will measure them and show.

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lfigueroa said:
ah, you have the complete specs on John’s table — what are they?

Here, let me help you out. I showed this photo to a table mechanic at the DCC and he said, “Now those are some big pockets.”

Lou Figueroa
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Did the mechanic recognize them as stock 5" pockets on a Rebco 9ft pool table? If not, i guess he's not as good as he's led you to believe he is. Common mistake made by a lot of table mechanics.
 
iusedtoberich said:
To test the photo analysis skills, what do you guys measure my pockets at? I tried to set up the picture the same as Jayson’s. This is a stock GC4. Always privately owned. 3rd recovering. Some wear on the pocket facings they are not perfectly straight. After the results, I will measure them and show.

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About 5" at the mouth, and even though you have the correct miter angles, they're not matching angles on both sides of the pocket. In the throat of the pocket the facings appear to start where they're supposed to start, but look just a tad bit thicker, have the pocket facings been replaced with 3/16" facings? Miter angles are clearly 142-143, and the pocket mouth opening could be a smidgen under 5".
 
iusedtoberich said:
To test the photo analysis skills, what do you guys measure my pockets at? I tried to set up the picture the same as Jayson’s. This is a stock GC4. Always privately owned. 3rd recovering. Some wear on the pocket facings they are not perfectly straight. After the results, I will measure them and show.

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The rulers in this photo will make the algorithm more accurate because it has multiple distance truths across the image that can be used to account for parallax.
 
kling&allen said:
The rulers in this photo will make the algorithm more accurate because it has multiple distance truths across the image that can be used to account for parallax.
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Whoever does the analysis can't use them. Only the balls like the Shaw picture. They were just to show I have some tools to measure.
 
kling&allen said:
I'm very familiar with the OpenCV algorithms used by that website and you will get radically different distance measurements when you have minor offsets in camera angle and attitude. You could experiment with your own pockets and see how estimated distances vary with small movements in the camera.

I defer to the experts as to the actual size of these pockets or if any of it matters. The live stream was awesome at least.
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I can’t even take a selfie without some part of my face looking like it’s staring back at me from a circus mirror. I’m not sure using a screen grab from a facebook selfie livestream that is then pumped through a measuring algorithm is going to cut it when it domes to 1/8 of an inch.
 
Shuddy said:
I can’t even take a selfie without some part of my face looking like it’s staring back at me from a circus mirror. I’m not sure using a screen grab from a facebook selfie livestream that is then pumped through a measuring algorithm is going to cut it when it domes to 1/8 of an inch.
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Well then I guess the only thing that can be done to settle the pocket controversy is to send in a neutral party table mechanic that KNOWS what he's doing, and determine the actual specs of the pockets and post them up! What do you think the odds are AGAINST that from happening?
 
iusedtoberich said:
To test the photo analysis skills, what do you guys measure my pockets at? I tried to set up the picture the same as Jayson’s. This is a stock GC4. Always privately owned. 3rd recovering. Some wear on the pocket facings they are not perfectly straight. After the results, I will measure them and show.
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my measurements from the photo:
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there is a lot of pull from the cloth to the rails, so they appear rounded to the end. But it makes for an angle of 147° at the end so my guess is, it doesn't make the pocket accept more balls.

From (rounded) corner to corner my measurement is 5.15'', from where the gray line is cutting the gray extension line its' just below 5''.

So I would say the rails were cut perfectly for 5'' pockets but look a tiny bit bigger because of the rounding effect from tightly pulled cloth on the rail. The angle is a perfect 141°
 
xradarx said:
Now try to measure this one!
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this is my take on this:

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the gray line just under the middle of the CB is "a" from this picture.

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so for 5" pocket it should be 5 / 1.414 (square root of 2)
or 3.536 inch

the ball in this picture makes for 86/124 of this "a". Since the ball is 2 1/4 '' it makes "a" in this picture 3.24 inch. (or more like a 4 9/16 '' pocket)

As I remember the problem with this scratch was the impression, that the table would roll of to the pocket, since CB started out rolling in the direction of almost the first diamond. Table specifications from the pocket seem ok from this picture.
 
iusedtoberich said:
To test the photo analysis skills, what do you guys measure my pockets at? I tried to set up the picture the same as Jayson’s. This is a stock GC4. Always privately owned. 3rd recovering. Some wear on the pocket facings they are not perfectly straight. After the results, I will measure them and show.

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Your table photo shows only 1/8 of a inch from the edge of the balls to the pocket facings, whereas the table in question was closer to one quarter inch from the balls to the pocket facings. And, your balls are set inside the mouth measurement, which is measured as a straight line between the two points where the cushion breaks off into the pockets. Yes, this looks very close to 5 inch pockets on this table, but not as generous as the apparent 5-1/4 inch pockets on the 714 table.
 
just for kicks. what would your rather pay so 20 bucks for. to see someone run the most balls 714 on a bucket table made for the run. or someone run 400 or 500 balls on a tournament table with tournament sized pockets.

1. which do you learn more from
2. which is more exciting when he has tougher situations.
3. which is less boring when the table is open and he has a shot.

this is just to gauge the value of a pay per view
 
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