EBAY CUE ID

Biloxi Boy said:
Anyone have any thoughts on the identity of this cue? Seller took great offense to my inquiry.
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He took offense because he is peddling a cheap import with a fraudulent listing title
 
ideologist said:
He took offense because he is peddling a cheap import with a fraudulent listing title
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I don't think it is a cheap import. It looks like a Rich cue but maybe not by Abe. The joint with the big pilot is like Rich made at the time. I don't know what Willie Hoppe has to do with this cue other then as a search word on ebay.
 
I thought Hoppe cues either had a badge that identified them or a white ring near the bumper. Regardless of legitimacy, this cue is an uggo, IMO.
 
He updated his listing talking smack about you in a "P.S." at the bottom of the description lol. He sounds like one of those guys you can't tell anything to and who are going to believe whatever they want to believe based on desire rather than evidence.
 
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How he id/ed it as a WH, and suggested an expert opinion might be beneficial. In return I got 4 messages, averaging 10 lines each. Very sensitive issue.
 
Upon further review, responses 3 and 4 are shorter and add nothing, but responses 1 and 2 are both too good not to share:

SELLER'S RESPONSE #1

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New message from: skip_1176 (155Turquoise Star)​

How do you ID this as a NOT Hoppe Conversion? It might be too hard to find, but i have a couple of old photos of the man standing by his lathe and work bench, making the cue! How he got those veneers to run vertically like that, without compromising the integrity or colors, is pretty amazing. In one of the photos, you can see the original cue, with the sticker and all. He made the stick around 69 or 70. My brother and i inherited our Uncles house, properties, and whatever is in them. My uncles Cue collection goes to me. Ive been listing them for several weeks. Now: are YOU an expert? And if not-never mind, youre not- can you tell me what an Expert can say, other than give me a paper that says the ring work on this cue might be consistent with early Rich cues, which were often converted from Hoppe, or Titleist cues from Brunswick? And if so, how much might your Expert charge for the paper stating what this cue, was converted from by an unknown Artisan?

SELLER'S RESPONSE #2

New message from: skip_1176 (155Turquoise Star)​

And if I m wrong, and those photos are ACTUALLY of an unknown woodworker making this cue from a Titleist, why would the sticker say Willie Hoppe instead? And should i consult a forensic photo analyst for a certificate of authenticity to go with the old, not very well done, candid photos? And how much might this certification cost? Either way, unless you plan on making a creepy, tightwad, typical pool players offer on the (clearly counterfeit) cue, maybe you should complete your metamorphosis from pool player/cue expert to Rodeo horses rear end and buck yourself right off? Thanks for the fun! 😃​

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This seller has a mixed bag of nice and some not as nice cues. He had an actual Hoppe conversion (possible Rambo) he was asking 450 starting bid I think it had a couple bids then it disappeared.

Interesting seller to watch that's for sure..
 
He has rewritten his post, the cue is now described as a "1966 Brunswick Custom was Made by Solomon Rich", and all references to WH deleted. Further, the Seller professes "I would never lay my integrity on the line for a pool stick!" However no appreciation is expressed to those of us assisting in the preservation of his good name.
 
We cynics might think the only reason he's updated the listing is b/c he could be forced to return the buyer's money for misrepresenting what he is selling.
 
Hope everyone is happy being EBay Police, problem is EBay for most part don’t care.

Plus dishonest seller's just resurface with new id.
 
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