Cortland Linen Wrap

[pwd72s]

Did the early Palmers use Cortland? If so, guess I do have a cue with Cortland wrap. All I was told when buying the cue was that the wrap was "Irish Linen". All beached white in this pic, but it's white and green spec. Bought the cue new in the early 70's..it's all original.

 

[Bavafongoul]

Did the early Palmers use Cortland? If so, guess I do have a cue with Cortland wrap. All I was told when buying the cue was that the wrap was "Irish Linen". All beached white in this pic, but it's white and green spec. Bought the cue new in the early 70's..it's all original.

No, the early Palmer used a everyday linen wrap unless the customer ordered something special.
I know because I picked mine up at their factory in NJ. & could have had the wrap upgraded to CL.

The brown speck CL I have in the photo might be used on it at some point because it’s all Cocobolo.
With a dark brown wood, CL brown speck should look pretty nice. It still has the orig. black linen wrap..

 

[classiccues]

Just wondering if anyone has gotten a cortland wrap installed lately and how much did it cost (of course it will depend on who installs it too)?
Just trying to get a idea, pricewise, and if it's a better option over irish linen.
You can just PM me if you don't feel like posting.
Thanks in advance.

Adventures in Linen - (Cortland 9-27)

Just a story.. Steve Klein, Mark K, and myself set out to try and get 9-27 linen duplicated. We took this very far, probably further than most would attempt. The reason I am putting this out here is I believe I have seen a cue with this wrap and it has already been called Cortland. Steve sent...

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The spool in the picture is a master spool sold to fishing stores and in this case Palmer cues. 2500 or 5000 yards I think.

JV

 

[ShootingArts]

My old friend from long ago, Bill Wylde, made over 115 custom AR-15's, I think closer to 200. Widely recognized as the father of the accurate AR-15, one of his AR across the course guns would round out your number nicely too.

Bill was bored stiff with building across the course and varmint AR-15's so as a friend I couldn't ask him to build me one! I was able to put together an AR-15 top end myself that shot consistent 100 yard five shot five group aggregates in the low .2's from the bench and from the magazine. Still only a few hundred rounds or less shot through it but it is a safe queen belonging to my brother, NFS.

Bill liked building odd stuff and would send me pictures now and then. One day he sent me a picture of a four and a half inch group. It was a 600 yard, I believe ten shot group. The kicker is that Bill fired it with a ten inch barreled AR style pistol from the prone position!

I would like to have anything Bill ever built and any cue by the original Edwin Reyes. There is or was another Edwin Reyes from the Philippines building custom cues so that muddies the waters looking for a cue.

Hu

 

[Nyquil]

My old friend from long ago, Bill Wylde, made over 115 custom AR-15's, I think closer to 200. Widely recognized as the father of the accurate AR-15, one of his AR across the course guns would round out your number nicely too.

Bill was bored stiff with building across the course and varmint AR-15's so as a friend I couldn't ask him to build me one! I was able to put together an AR-15 top end myself that shot consistent 100 yard five shot five group aggregates in the low .2's from the bench and from the magazine. Still only a few hundred rounds or less shot through it but it is a safe queen belonging to my brother, NFS.

Bill liked building odd stuff and would send me pictures now and then. One day he sent me a picture of a four and a half inch group. It was a 600 yard, I believe ten shot group. The kicker is that Bill fired it with a ten inch barreled AR style pistol from the prone position!

I would like to have anything Bill ever built and any cue by the original Edwin Reyes. There is or was another Edwin Reyes from the Philippines building custom cues so that muddies the waters looking for a cue.

Hu

Is this the same Bill Wylde that came up with .223 Wylde? If so that is awesome. Love that chambering.

 

[greyghost]

Well put. I have 2 old Hueblers with the original Cortland and love them. It's hard to find a current material that get anywhere close to Cortland.

The pressed cortlands were nicely smooth and slick. The closest you will get is switching to a modern braided fishing line (spiderwire among others) that won’t ever wear out.

There’s all kinds of colors and synthetic materials used in them, some look and feel more so or less so “plastic” like. I’ve used it as wraps, it isn’t cheap but did like them myself.

Now if you want it not slick and prefer a rougher linen then the modern braids won’t do at all.

Fwiw.

 

[ShootingArts]

Is this the same Bill Wylde that came up with .223 Wylde? If so that is awesome. Love that chambering.

Yeah, the same Bill Wylde. The AR that cranked out quarter inch groups has a Wylde chamber. Pissed Bill off a bit, all the reamers sold, all the rifles chambered and he never got a penny from any of it!

I would like to really go over a Wylde chamber and a .223 round to try to figure out how Bill got that kind of accuracy along with perfect reliability. My friend had a lot more going for him than just being the AR master though. One of those people I still miss.

Hu

 

[WildWing]

Did the early Palmers use Cortland? If so, guess I do have a cue with Cortland wrap. All I was told when buying the cue was that the wrap was "Irish Linen". All beached white in this pic, but it's white and green spec. Bought the cue new in the early 70's..it's all original.

It really depended on the exact era. Gene Balner did use some Cortland on Palmer cues, but by the time the son Pete was making the second catalog cues, Cortland linen was rarely used. It looks like you have a Model M cue from the second catalog. Most of those second catalog cues were made with a Dacron that did resemble linen, but was not. A better close up picture would be needed for sure, but my guess if you have the Dacron wrap that most of those cues did.

All the best,
WW

 

[pwd72s]

It really depended on the exact era. Gene Balner did use some Cortland on Palmer cues, but by the time the son Pete was making the second catalog cues, Cortland linen was rarely used. It looks like you have a Model M cue from the second catalog. Most of those second catalog cues were made with a Dacron that did resemble linen, but was not. A better close up picture would be needed for sure, but my guess if you have the Dacron wrap that most of those cues did.

All the best,
WW

Alas, no decent digital camera here. I'll take your word for it. Wouldn't want to change the original wrap anyway....yep, mine a model M from the 2nd catalog. Can't sell it...it has my name under the window. Gonna go to my pool playing honorary nephew when I croak.

 

[Bavafongoul]

The thing about cues is they are timeless. You can pick up a cue made 50 years ago
and it will still be in style & perform just like it was built last year. And to think of the
detail work that some designs involve makes it no wonder why cue making is an art
form unto itself. 20, 30, 50 years from now one of my cues will still be here. Hopefully,
the cues will be played with and enjoyed by my children and grandchildren. I have a
1949 Winchester ‘94 I am having restored. 27 years from now that rifle will be a 100
years old and it will belong to my 1st grandson. I won’t be here to witness any of this.
But I know that cherished mementos and keepsakes can have not only great intrinsic
value but sentimental as well. My gun collection and pool cues will be passed along &
know what? It pleases me to think that something special of mine will be special to them.

 

[cuehobby]

Can this brand/type be used or has anyone used this one on a cue?
Not mine, just saw it while web surfing.

 

[kling&allen]

The pressed cortlands were nicely smooth and slick. The closest you will get is switching to a modern braided fishing line (spiderwire among others) that won’t ever wear out.

There’s all kinds of colors and synthetic materials used in them, some look and feel more so or less so “plastic” like. I’ve used it as wraps, it isn’t cheap but did like them myself.

Now if you want it not slick and prefer a rougher linen then the modern braids won’t do at all.

Fwiw.

Spiderwire is my favorite braid for bass fishing. I never thought about using it as a wrap. I think it's a great idea. How well does it hold up?

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

Good News is Copy Cat, Faux, Imitation available.

Once it is installed it look
Like real deal.

 

[ideologist]

Can this brand/type be used or has anyone used this one on a cue?
Not mine, just saw it while web surfing.

That is solid cream color and feels excellent

 

[ideologist]

The thing about cues is they are timeless. You can pick up a cue made 50 years ago
and it will still be in style & perform just like it was built last year.

The 1990s strongly disagree with this statement

 

[classiccues]

Just wondering if anyone has gotten a cortland wrap installed lately and how much did it cost (of course it will depend on who installs it too)?
Just trying to get a idea, pricewise, and if it's a better option over irish linen.
You can just PM me if you don't feel like posting.
Thanks in advance.

To get real Cortland 9-27 white with green spec will cost you whatever you end up buying the material for. I would say 100-150 maybe plus install. Would anyone know the difference between this and newer linen from a playing standpoint if they were blindfolded?

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

To get real Cortland 9-27 white with green spec will cost you whatever you end up buying the material for. I would say 100-150 maybe plus install. Would anyone know the difference between this and newer linen from a playing standpoint if they were blindfolded?

Well maybe people need to go to
old time fishing tackle dealers, and look for NOS to buy up.


Sure there is a lot of the stuff sitting in tackle shop not selling.

I know I had a couple of small spool that were Gly Fishing backing.

Forgot were I put them, might find on next Spring cleaning.

 

[cuehobby]

That is solid cream color and feels excellent

Here’s another one I came across.
It looks like solid dark green.
Any other colors that might have been made of?

 

[Bavafongoul]

Cortland linen is going to cost more than $100-$150.
Then you have to count on it’s in good condition too.

It was hard to get 5-6 years ago and it’s become worse.
There was always a finite amount & now it’s almost gone.