How much longer must we endure this insane format CSI is pushing

dnschmidt said:
Not really equivalent. In golf they are still playing golf in sudden death. They have to drive the ball. Hit an approach shot and then putt the ball into the hole. What CSI is doing is not playing pool. A spot shot, which almost never comes up in a game in since the beginning of the nine-ball era isn't really a part of playing pool anymore. It's not a continuation of the match.
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Never a 1pocket player around when you need one.

Lou Figueroa
always shooting
spot shots
 
nicksaint26 said:
I hate the format but Hockey and Soccer have shootouts for Overtime and it seems to work for them.

I like the idea of you have to win 3 sets (like tennis) alternate break and single elimination. Just like a tennis tournament
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I also think 3 sets is the answer. Like 60 percent of the matches went to a shootout this tournament, which is way too many. Hockey and soccer shootouts are rare.
 
boogieman said:
I mean snooker has been the same game forever, so what's bad about an old pool concept that used to decide many games?
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Not directing this specific to your post, but I'll tell you again what's wrong with it.... there is no money in it. The attention span of people in this age is measured in minutes.... not hours. If you cant keep the attention of the common viewer, you wont hold the interest of the advertisers.

So CSI tries to get the interest back. This is a first draft IMO. It will probably evolve somewhat. I suspect it will end up being 3 races to 4. Possibly 3 races to 3. We shall see. Give it a chance to evolve.
 
tomatoshooter said:
I don't see why different formats are hard for people to understand. I don't watch NBA with 4 12 minute quarters and get confused when NCAA plays 2 20 minute halves. The only thing you need to understand is they are trying to put the ball in the hole and they have to bounce it.
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Pool is a bit more complicated than that. One day she walks in, it’s 9 ball and someone slops a ball and keeps shooting. The next time in 10 ball they don’t get to keep shooting. Another day the opponent has the option to pass it back. But then in a 9 ball tournament, someone breaks and makes a ball but has to sit down. This stuff is too bad for people who post on pool forums, but for someone with only a passive interest it can be barrier to entry.
 
Swighey said:
40% of matches won 2-0 in set races to 4? I'd say that's pretty good.
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2-0 can also be 8 to 6 with the sets determined by the slightest of circumstances. I am sorry but this it what you expect to find on any given week night amateur tournament in a bar or poolroom. This is not professional pool by any stretch of the imagination.

For a game that many feel is already dying being reduced to this, is just a shame.
 
buckshotshoey said:
Not directing this specific to your post, but I'll tell you again what's wrong with it.... there is no money in it. The attention span of people in this age is measured in minutes.... not hours. If you cant keep the attention of the common viewer, you wont hold the interest of the advertisers.

So CSI tries to get the interest back. This is a first draft IMO. It will probably evolve somewhat. I suspect it will end up being 3 races to 4. Possibly 3 races to 3. We shall see. Give it a chance to evolve.
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Obviously, that's not what they are catering to, for If they were catering to the reduced attention span of the viewer, they wouldn't have a) picked ten ball over nine ball, b) used call shot rules, or c) disallowed golden breaks. All three of these practices lengthen, not shorten the game, in addition to ensuring that the game is unrecognizable to all but the diehard players.
 
kling&allen said:
That's a fair way to look at it. But the shootouts seem to have a magnified importance in this format if they are the decisive factor in most matches.
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Of course. Any kind of tie break, sudden death or otherwise, is decisive. That's the whole point of it - you are level pegging after the main event so it's do or die.
 
middleofnowhere said:
This is not professional pool by any stretch of the imagination.

For a game that many feel is already dying being reduced to this, is just a shame.
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Except it is professional pool and the pros are playing.

Not my favourite format but an interesting addition. Virtually identical format been very successful in the UK, Oz and now the USA.
 
Swighey said:
Of course. Any kind of tie break, sudden death or otherwise, is decisive. That's the whole point of it - you are level pegging after the main event so it's do or die.
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The problem is, the main event format with world class players is just a toss of a coin anyway. Then they make it even worse with the shootout.
 
Swighey said:
Except it is professional pool and the pros are playing.

Not my favourite format but an interesting addition. Virtually identical format been very successful in the UK, Oz and now the USA.
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Yea, take a poll among the pros playing and see if you get one vote for this format. They have no choice but to play. Regardless of the amount of the money, the break down of the money is still top ended and that is a toss of a coin to really win more then enough to break even. Is the intent of the tournament to give lesser players a better chance, create upsets? What is funny is they did a few modifications to the rules that are improvements.
When you talk about the UK, it is not the US. It is just over 800 miles to drive across the entire UK. Players can play in almost any tournament in a days drive. To travel a few thousand miles in the US to play this kind of format will get old to a lot of players. They better have a plenty of money to start with because the chances of getting that carrot on the end of the stick is slim no matter how good they play.

Bottom line is, they can hold the tournaments any way they want and if the potential money, no matter how slim, is good, a number of players will play. That doesn't make it good for the sport. No matter how you look at it, only the most hardcore fans are watching or have any idea any of the is even taking place. I doubt players will ever organize or ever have any say in anything.
 
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Swighey said:
Except it is professional pool and the pros are playing.

Not my favourite format but an interesting addition. Virtually identical format been very successful in the UK, Oz and now the USA.
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very successful? are you referring to the ultimate pool thing?
 
There are so many here that want to dictate what CSI does with their money.

Start a tournament series of your own with your money and compete against CSI. That's the American way. See who wins in the end. I will support both.
 
sjm said:
Obviously, that's not what they are catering to, for If they were catering to the reduced attention span of the viewer, they wouldn't have a) picked ten ball over nine ball, b) used call shot rules, or c) disallowed golden breaks. All three of these practices lengthen, not shorten the game, in addition to ensuring that the game is unrecognizable to all but the diehard players.
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While I respect your opinion, I dont agree with it. If what you say is true, where are the numbers to prove it? So far I dont see anything any more successful in the market.
 
buckshotshoey said:
There are so many here that want to dictate what CSI does with their money.

Start a tournament series of your own with your money and compete against CSI. That's the American way. See who wins in the end. I will support both.
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That's no answer. You telling me the players enjoy playing in these kinds of tournaments? When you have nothing you are easily bought off, you have no choices. Actually America already has a good organized pool community, It is the bar leagues. Millions of players play every week and they love it. Many post on here.
 
middleofnowhere said:
That's no answer. You telling me the players enjoy playing in these kinds of tournaments? When you have nothing you are easily bought off, you have no choices. Actually America already has a good organized pool community, It is the bar leagues. Millions of players play every week and they love it. Many post on here.
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I agree... I'm one of them. My brother and I are also BCA league operators. We dont make very much money, but we are trying to revitalize the game that has a rich history in our town. If the Name Ted Elias rings a bell, you know what pool used to be around here. I doubt it will ever get to that point again, but that's not stopping us from trying.
 
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