Carbon Fiber Shafts should be Banned

MajorMiscue said:
I'm glad we agree, jump cues have no place in pool.
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LOL - I actually like jumping, which is ironic, I know.

If I learn how to jump with a playing cue, I might begin to agree with you about banning those new-fangled jump cues, but I'll still attempt jump shots, because I think they're cool.

I find jumping very difficult, and very nuanced. I'm currently trying to figure out how to jump into the right part of the object ball to avoid "bad hops" that result in fouls.

I think the jump shot is an art unto itself - the 3rd Dimension of pool, if you will.

It is loud though - I'll give you that.
 
CocoboloCowboy said:
You will be supporting Pool, and learning. I say BS, you will be light in wallet, and racking balls.
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Until you're not.

People should jump at the chance of playing better players, whether for a lot or a little. You will pay more attention, learn faster, eliminate mistakes faster, be more focused.

High level competition and play can bring out your best... and while youre best might not be enough at first... in a few years, the better players will age out as your level improves...

But... well... what do I know? See my Disclaimer
 
easy-e said:
Pay attention dummy. My comment was specific to the part of his post that I bolded and italicized. He said he's only ever seen one person make a jump shot against him. If he wants more, he should play better players. :poop:(y):poop:(y)(n)(n):coffee::alien:
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I missed the bolded part too - ha!

I often play against much better players - they almost always opt to kick instead of jump, if kicking is an option. The same seems to be the case in the pro tournaments. If good players are forced into a jump, they usually play for position.

Bangers usually can't jump - I get a lot of questions about jumping from casual bar players.

I would jump less, if my main objective was winning. I like to win, but I like making great shots more than I like winning, and I'm unlikely to win a tournament whether I play smart or play like a crazy person. The reason I make jump shots on some rare occasions is because I'm bizarre enough to attempt them when they don't make sense as a percentage play.
 
CF shafts are not ugly, and not all CF sound bad Viking Seige is great shaft , cuetec sells the hell out of their shaft. Alot changes in pool in last 30 years . I dont play with CF own one plays great , but for me wood shaft plays the same. When I started playing pool 45 years ago in pool hall with 9ft tables by Brunswick, we didnt have CF , special chalk, grown men gambling didnt wear a glove , we didnt have special stick to break and one to jump, and we didnt move the cue ball around with our hand. But shit changes , so if you want outlaw CF shafts , start with some other items on the list.
 
I have a Revo. I currently dont use it. My main gripe is the rings not matching up. So I'm having a cue made for it.

For me it's not the low deflection qualities that attract me to it... it's the fact that it won't change over time. It will stay the same size. It's easier to clean and not abrasive to do so at all. It wont ding (at least not easily. It should just always stay the same.

I love wood shafts but Im going to give CF the honest try. If it's too much of an adjustment I'll go back to wood. Got no problem either way.
 
CocoboloCowboy said:
What will that accomplish except be rack boy.

You words were like old line, play in Semi Pro/Pro Event.

You will be supporting Pool, and learning. I say BS, you will be light in wallet, and racking balls.
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I actually don't mind playing really good players, unless they're so good that they're routinely running multiple racks.

There are a couple open tournaments around Minneapolis that are in the $15-$25 range, and if I play halfway-decent then that amounts to about the same charge as table time. Occasionally I'll win a set or two, and then it's much less $$ than table time.

One of the tournaments is handicapped, so I do OK in that one sometimes.

I mostly lose, but I sometimes win some games, and I learn a lot by playing good players. There are also funny moments, like fluking in the 9 ball and winning against a much better opponent, and him saying "good shot."

Money games don't lighten my wallet much - I'm cheap, and I never expect to win, although I do get lucky and win sometimes. It doesn't cost me much, and in some ways it just feels like good billiards etiquette to put down a few dollars, especially if my opponent is a good player.

I think most people would rather win at pool than have a chance to compete against better players, so your advice is totally relevant, and much appreciated.
 
Icon of Sin said:
I have a Revo. I currently dont use it. My main gripe is the rings not matching up. So I'm having a cue made for it.

For me it's not the low deflection qualities that attract me to it... it's the fact that it won't change over time. It will stay the same size. It's easier to clean and not abrasive to do so at all. It wont ding (at least not easily. It should just always stay the same.

I love wood shafts but Im going to give CF the honest try. If it's too much of an adjustment I'll go back to wood. Got no problem either way.
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This is interesting because it reminds me that I see a wooden cue as sort of a living thing, and I expect it to change, and I kind of like that it changes.

You seem to want a shaft that will always stay the same - it's sort of like the difference between preferring chocolate or vanilla ice cream.
 
I have a better idea....

Instead of banning carbon fiber and jump cues, let's ban the people that think pool is the only thing in the world that shouldn't grow and progress its technology.

There is no reason why anyone should FORCE others to play the game as YOU think it should be played. You have a choice.... join in and enjoy, play only others that think the way you do, or get the hell out.
 
David in FL said:
Everybody who can’t jump believes the same…
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Yes, and so does Earl Strickland, who was the best in the world at jump shots early in his career. Pool was a two-dimensional game for almost a century, and the switch to three dimensions in the late 1990s did nothing for pro pool, which was to suffer through very bad times in the first ten to fifteen years in which jump shots were common.

Jump cues would open up new possibilities in snooker, too, but snooker hasn't fallen victim to switching to a three-dimensional game just for a few cheap thrills. Unlike pool, they have stayed true to the history and spirit of their sport.

All that said, where you are right is that jump cues are here to stay in pool, and that anyone who aspires to play at the highest level needs to develop their skills with the jump stick. Where you are wrong is in suggesting that none of those who are proficient jumpers would celebrate the disappearance of the jump cue from top level play.
 
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Jump cues would open up new possibilities in snooker, too, but snooker hasn't fallen victim to switching to a three-dimensional game just for a few cheap thrills. Unlike pool, they have stayed true to the history and spirit of their sport.
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Want jump cues? Why not a new game where jumping is required for all shots? Jumping cue balls isn't pool, right Earl?
 
easy-e said:
Pay attention dummy. My comment was specific to the part of his post that I bolded and italicized. He said he's only ever seen one person make a jump shot against him. If he wants more, he should play better players. :poop:(y):poop:(y)(n)(n):coffee::alien:
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Calling name is your stock and trade. You pretend to have knowledge of Pool in Arizona.

Have you lived in Valley of Sun almost 25 years think not.

So you can not speak from personal experience. About thing you never expirrenced?

Your listing to people who might know, or might not know.

I never comment about what I call East Side of Valley as one place over there I have actual been in were Main Street,or Kolby’s years ago. Sure both places are different today, can’t say why but 7 - 10 places change.

Take a chill pill.💡
 
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Using baseball, I game I consider to be unwatchable (sort of like watching Albin or Ralf play pool at a snail’s pace) as your gold standard is amusing. Here we have a game that anybody under 50 considers too damn slow to watch. Personally, I like the NBA for the action and athleticism and the NFL for the violence. No wonder baseball bans aluminum bats since they didn't have those when Ty Cobb played, precedent must be followed regardless of how stupid it might be. Steph Curry can hit three three pointers in the time it takes a damn pitcher to make up his mind as to which pitch to throw. Doing the same shit forever didn’t work for Sears as a business model and it doesn’t work for baseball as a sport. Pool sucks enough already without banning innovation.
 
dnschmidt said:
Using baseball, I game I consider to be unwatchable (sort of like watching Albin or Ralf play pool at a snail’s pace) as your gold standard is amusing. Here we have a game that anybody under 50 considers too damn slow to watch. Personally, I like the NBA for the action and athleticism and the NFL for the violence. No wonder baseball bans aluminum bats since they didn't have those when Ty Cobb played, precedent must be followed regardless of how stupid it might be. Steph Curry can hit three three pointers in the time it takes a damn pitcher to make up his mind as to which pitch to throw. Doing the same shit forever didn’t work for Sears as a business model and it doesn’t work for baseball as a sport. Pool sucks enough already without banning innovation.
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Well I have friends who love going to live sporting events. NBA, MLB, NFL, NHL.

Personally would not walk across street to see for free and if these sports.

But I get the fact that people love going to the stadium, or area to see in person. Their choice not mine.
 
I consider jump cues necessary because leaving safeties is too easy for advanced players. It's a hell of a lot easier to lock somebody up than it is to make a four rail hit and even if you make the hit your chances of selling out are extremely high. If you get rid of one foul ball in hand then banning the jump cue becomes possible. Otherwise it's going to turn pool into foulapalusa.
 
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