Will 4 inches pockets be the future of US pool, bar box and big table?

JCL said:
It does no matter, you are talking like 505 fargo, I'm wrong?
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You never asked my fargo, I think you're talking about the other guy. But if you want to ask someone their fargo to try discrediting their opinions, you should probably share yours with the group first to validate your opinion.
 
Ghost of OBC said:
Just watching the Filler v Sum final from a few days ago. Is this really the future? Taking the extension on a straight in 9 ball, because, for pros, even straight in could go wrong.

The pressure is oddly interesting, but the pace is slow and it just seems so tight.

To the great credit of World Pool Masters, the coverage is great. It is easy to see, the lighting is top shelf. excellent legibility.

On the other side, the silence and the tight tables have a certain operating theatre quality to them. A bit sterile for my liking.
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if it was filler, he does that kind of stuff, takes his extension on the money ball etc. not really a slow player. some say he does it because he's arrogant, some say he's just nervous. i don't know which, but his game does have a tangible nerve to it, alongside of very straight shooting.
 
skogstokig said:
if it was filler, he does that kind of stuff, takes his extension on the money ball etc. not really a slow player. some say he does it because he's arrogant, some say he's just nervous. i don't know which, but his game does have a tangible nerve to it, alongside of very straight shooting.
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It would make me nervous! I would need beta blockers just to watch a match, it is so tense.
 
JCL said:
I think 4.5" are too easy for any level pro and top amateurs, once you try 4" you will love it 😀
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No people will not like 4" pockets. They make many shots in pool too hard. It may be OK for the pro tour, if there is ever one, but not for anyone playing that wants to make balls past a training table. The new cloth on the pro tournaments makes pockets play bigger also, but not much can be done about that. 4.5 is a pretty much ideal pocket size for anyone and any game that are not in the top 10% of players.
 
didnt one of the TAR matches try a diamond with 4 inch pockets and realized it made the game not fun from both a players and spectators perspective?
 
skogstokig said:
if it was filler, he does that kind of stuff, takes his extension on the money ball etc. not really a slow player. some say he does it because he's arrogant, some say he's just nervous. i don't know which, but his game does have a tangible nerve to it, alongside of very straight shooting.
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IMHO he does it because he is a jerk and wants to rub it into his opponent that he is going to loose and makes him sit and wait for it longer.
 
easy-e said:
You never asked my fargo, I think you're talking about the other guy. But if you want to ask someone their fargo to try discrediting their opinions, you should probably share yours with the group first to validate your opinion.
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All I did was to ask you your fargo, if you feel offended by that, it is your problem not mine, my guess was that you were a 505( nothing wrong to be that fargo), I m very clear that I disagree on what you said, or do we have to agree on everything? No way I'm telling you my fargo or posting a video, also not Interest in trolling anyone either. Peace and love ❤️
 
garczar said:
My local place has 10 nice GC4's. Six have about 4.25 corners and the rest are 4.5 ALL of them are too tight for general recreation play. I've tried to set the owners straight and just have four tight ones and open the rest but they just have no clue about pool.
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I am not a fan of a pool hall having several different size pockets, if they run tournaments. You play 4 matches on one pocket size then the finals or the "main" matchups they stick on the house tight tables where the clearly better player has a larger advantage than normal. Bleh.
 
JCL said:
Forces my stroke to be more consistent, force me to concentrate more and properly aim, but more important, help me understand the pocket sizes better for example shooting to all 3 areas of the pocket, of course none of this is easy but you will notice a big difference when you play anywhere else.
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So what you are saying players should practice on tougher equipment. That is not really a new thing. At a home / specialty table, smaller pockets than 4.5" would be OK to use. For a random pool hall or non-pro event, 4.5" is ideal, and for a pool hall may even be a bit much for many players. It's like saying "every car should have traction control turned off since it will teach you how to drive better".
 
hang-the-9 said:
No people will not like 4" pockets. They make many shots in pool too hard. It may be OK for the pro tour, if there is ever one, but not for anyone playing that wants to make balls past a training table. The new cloth on the pro tournaments makes pockets play bigger also, but not much can be done about that. 4.5 is a pretty much ideal pocket size for anyone and any game that are not in the top 10% of players.
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totally agree. even 4.5 is too snug for the less hard-core players. i've seen first hand what tight pockets are like in a poolroom setting and its not pretty. have a few for better players but open the rest up for those that pay most of the bills.
 
My table has pockets that are bit looser than 4.25”. Most of my friends and family only play pool casually. They find my table to be unplayable and get pretty frustrated with it. Now imagine what it would be like if it were actually 4”.

I’m a big fan of 4” pockets for the pros since I think professional competition should have tougher conditions. But club tables should be 4.75”. The appeal of pool over snooker is simply that it’s easier for a casual player to pick up and play. If you tighten the pockets to 4-4.25” you lose that aspect of the game.
 
Cameron Smith said:
My table has pockets that are bit looser than 4.25”. Most of my friends and family only play pool casually. They find my table to be unplayable and get pretty frustrated with it. Now imagine what it would be like if it were actually 4”.

I’m a big fan of 4” pockets for the pros since I think professional competition should have tougher conditions. But club tables should be 4.75”. The appeal of pool over snooker is simply that it’s easier for a casual player to pick up and play. If you tighten the pockets to 4-4.25” you lose that aspect of the game.
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agree 100% here.
 
Straightpool_99 said:
You want the ultimate, tight pocket game, look no further than Chinese 8 ball. No pool table comes close to the difficulty of those corner pockets. NONE other than blackball, but it doesn't really count, smaller balls and tables, different characteristics.. I like Chinese 8 ball, played it quite a bit, even participated in an open tournament. Sadly, nobody wants to play it in my country, and it seems true of most of the Western world. People get frustrated and quit. These are not Mickey Mouse players either, but great cueists from all kinds of cue sports. You can play 9 ball on that table too. I've yet to see anyone play more than a couple of games of that before they quit. Again, not Mickey Mouse, high 600 fargo rated players even a couple of 700s. They try a rack or two, then say F. this, I'm going home. "It's boring" is what they invariably say. That's 99%, who say that exact phrase. That's playing 9 ball, their game of choice. The remaining 1% either plays a style that suits the table, or are utterly fascinated that they cannot pot a ball. That rarely lasts. You see, if you are a half decent pool player, you CAN pocket balls on that table, but you can never get a rhytm going because most humans are going to miss at least once a rack in 9 ball, unless they're all hangers. Running a rack that would be routine on a pool table can be almost impossibly difficult. One bad angle on a rail ball, and it's over.

Ok, so that's too extreme for you. Lets try a Diamond or some off brand table more likely, with 4 inch pockets, then. Keep in mind that on tv tournaments, the rubber is warmed by lights, and the cloth is close to brand new. The table has most likely been set up by the best in the industry. What happens when the regular installer puts on the cloth and it's allowed to stay on for 6 months or a year or more? Well, the pockets may not play perfect, maybe the angles are off a little, the facings can get worn out and the cloth sticky. Add some humidity to that and every A player will look like an APA 5. Fantastic, they'll all love that. Nothing like looking stupid in front of a bunch of guys, your date or whatever, to put a spring in a mans step. The APA 5's on the other hand won't pot a ball an hour. THEY are going to absolutely LLOOOOOVE that. I bet they'll overwhelm the pool halls with their presence.
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Yes not to extreme at all but closer to right than anyone I've read lately. I started watching Chinese 8 Ball around 2012 and have watched many thousands of games on Joy 9' ers, I being an old man and expool player watch pool , a lot, plus their camera production is the best for me I like to get involved in the games I watch. I watch and enjoy because this is the quality of game that I want. I don't use audio. I do think that if one wanted to that they could possibly learn much from watching these games. I've told people that I have never touched one of the Q-8 or Q-7 Joy tables but I probably know how they play as good as many of the players do. I have my favorite players around top Joy 20 rankings, some weeks I probably watch around one hundred hours. BUT This is in China and their pool ( Pocket Billiards ) is tought in all schools from day one I am told. Their young player generation is probably the best pocket billiard players on this earth. I am a witness, these real old eyes... Guy
 
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