Carbon Fiber Shafts should be Banned

Banger with CF Shaft will not become World Class player with Shaft change.

Pool players, and Golfers love buying next magic pill.

Then they find out no magic, greatness is not for sale in pill form.

It might be achieved with practice, and competition.

Youth has advantage over old guys, is old guys we used up our energy supply in youth.🤭
 
CocoboloCowboy said:
Maybe CF is nothing special as Dr. Dave point out in Utube. Man muct know something as he has PhD.

He takes positive, negatives, and post slow mo pictures, of deflection.

Man is selling nothing, so he can afford to be honest.

Unlike Madison Avenue Ad Agencies, creative luring.
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I read Dr. Dave's paper on that (or at least one of them).

An interesting part that he sort of glosses over is when he says that CF shafts may provide low deflection with a less powerful stroke than is needed with non-CF shafts.

It would seem to me that the less power one needs to use, the easier it is to be accurate.

I'm a fan of Dr. Dave, but I think he may be brushing that aspect of CF shafts off too casually.
 
garczar said:
I know some REALLY good players that play ONLY with standard maple shafts. To say that LD/cf is an advantage is ludicrous. You have to play with the stuff that matches your game and what feels/sounds right.
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I believe you - if someone has spent 30,000 hours playing with a standard shaft, they're probably very good, and undoubtedly learned how to compensate for squirt with a standard shaft. In fact, it would likely take them a year or two to adjust to a CF or LD shaft.

When I bought an LD shaft, I could suddenly apply english and make shots I was missing with a standard shaft. This leads me to believe that if that same REALLY good player had begun with an LD/CF shaft, that really good player would be even better, because s/he would have spent less time learning how to compensate for squirt, and more time learning other things.
 
buckshotshoey said:
I didn't mean a word of it. I was just using it as an example. I was momentarily reflecting the possible thoughts of a tree hugging environmentalist. The tree had to be cut down at some point.

I was pointing out the stupidity of wanting to have something banned because of personal opinion, without one ounce of proof that anyone can play better with a carbon fiber cue. I've tried them. I made the CHOICE not to purchase one. I just dont think they match my game. But I'm not going to say no one else should be allowed to use one. Anyone with that thought can have it shoved up their ass....SIDEWAYS. LIVE AND LET LIVE.

IF you or anyone else doesn't like carbon fiber shafts, dont buy one. But I'll be dammed if anyone here will make that decision for me. I can do that for myself.

I hate this phrase, but will say it anyway..... It's not the arrow, it's the Indian.
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Meh - I suppose I could have been more politic, but there are those who think jump cues should be banned from competition, etc.

If some tournaments came along that required using a standard maple shaft, or (interesting idea) required using equipment provided by the house, I don't think it would completely eliminate everyone's ability to use a CF shaft outside of that competition. In fact, it might even provide additional marketing materials, if it turned out that certain equipment does provide a big advantage. "Even [insert pro's name here] can't win without our cutting-edge technology!"

It would be interesting to see how pros would fare, if equipment differences were largely eliminated in some competitions.

Are you so vehemently against limiting tip size to 14mm, or limiting weight to 25 ounces, like the BCA does? Dr. Dave came up with a paper towel contraption for certain shots, and that's banned by some tournaments. Are you outraged that people aren't allowed to attach a paper towel tube to the butt of their cues?
 
If some tournaments came along that required using a carbon fiber shaft, or (interesting idea) required using equipment provided by the house, I don't think it would completely eliminate everyone's ability to use an old school maple shaft outside of that competition.

Now see how dumb that sounds?
 
Carbon fiber technology is widely used now, it's superior to many other materials. Formula 1 cars, all manner of sporting equipment, aircraft, hell GMC now offers a carbon fiber composite truck bed on their 1500's. Maybe it's the price of CF shafts, some people seem personally offended when other people spend more money than they do on something.
 
coolidge said:
Carbon fiber technology is widely used now, it's superior to many other materials. Formula 1 cars, all manner of sporting equipment, aircraft, hell GMC now offers a carbon fiber composite truck bed on their 1500's. Maybe it's the price of CF shafts, some people seem personally offended when other people spend more money than they do on something.
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Oh, I've spent quite a bit of money on pool cues. If I wanted a CF shaft, I'd have one.

My objections to CF are: 1) I hate the way they look and the way they sound, 2) I love the way that wooden shafts look and sound, and 3) I dislike that pool is arguably becoming an elitist sport, since large investments of $$$ are now necessary to compete on an even playing field.

Honestly, I dislike LD in general. Yes, I can play pretty well with my LD shaft, but if I play anyone who doesn't have one, I feel like I'm cheating.

I think wood has vibrance and heart, whereas I think CF shafts are cold and heartless.

Not everyone has to agree with me - some people like New Coke, and I prefer Coke Classic - but I'd like those people who do agree with me to think about how we can have tournaments and competitions that use the same equipment available to Minnesota Fats and Willie Mosconi, rather than "space age technology" that does provide an advantage, but at a cost to the beauty and fairness of the game.
 
CuesDirectly said:
First off, super rare for anyone to cut down a tree to build a cue, we buy wood that has been cut and aged first.

Second, you stated "trivial use in a pool cue." Trivial? Do you play with the super fancy, cue of the future, the best of the best, yup, the Aluminum cue by chance?


Buckshot, I hope you know I am only having fun but again, trivial?
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Same as ivory. Had to shoot the jumbo at least 20 years ago for the ivory to be any good. Green ivory is as bad as green wood. Moves all over the place, cracks etc. has to age 20+ years to be usable in cues.

Jus sayin’

Fatboy
 
justnum said:
at a tournament new equipment is standard for table and cloth. The only equipment that is used are the cues by the players.

Have tournaments mandate their cues be purchased and used for events otherwise its a forfeit.
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Excellent and interesting idea. Maybe not "purchased," because that seems a little predatory, but they could make cues available for competition (for free), and not allow competitors to use their own cues.

Buckshotshoey accused us of being the same person, and CocoboloCowboy suggested that maybe he should report us as being the same person. Are you laughing too? Because I know I am.
 
Minnesota Phat said:
Oh, I've spent quite a bit of money on pool cues. If I wanted a CF shaft, I'd have one.

My objections to CF are: 1) I hate the way they look and the way they sound, 2) I love the way that wooden shafts look and sound, and 3) I dislike that pool is arguably becoming an elitist sport, since large investments of $$$ are now necessary to compete on an even playing field.

Honestly, I dislike LD in general. Yes, I can play pretty well with my LD shaft, but if I play anyone who doesn't have one, I feel like I'm cheating.

I think wood has vibrance and heart, whereas I think CF shafts are cold and heartless.

Not everyone has to agree with me - some people like New Coke, and I prefer Coke Classic - but I'd like those people who do agree with me to think about how we can have tournaments and competitions that use the same equipment available to Minnesota Fats and Willie Mosconi, rather than "space age technology" that does provide an advantage, but at a cost to the beauty and fairness of the game.
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You wanna go back to shitty balls and cloth too?? Look, things evolve. Its the way it is. Use whatever you like. Based on all you've whined about you might as well quit 'cause pool ain't going backwards. BTW, a player with superior game can win with a house cue against anyone with any shaft. Good luck with the 'Luddite Pool Tour'.
 
Fatboy said:
We can’t ban that! Can we? 🟧🟧🟧🟧
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(Obama speech, not that I'm a fan of Obama, because I'm not, but: "Yes we can!").
 
garczar said:
You wanna go back to shitty balls and cloth too?? Look, things evolve. Its the way it is. Use whatever you like. Based on all you've whined about you might as well quit 'cause pool ain't going backwards. BTW, a player with superior game can win with a house cue against anyone with any shaft. Good luck with the 'Luddite Pool Tour'.
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While your bedside manner could bear improvement, I'll agree that "Luddite Pool Tour" might be a fun name for it.
 
garczar said:
You wanna go back to shitty balls and cloth too?? Look, things evolve. Its the way it is. Use whatever you like. Based on all you've whined about you might as well quit 'cause pool ain't going backwards. BTW, a player with superior game can win with a house cue against anyone with any shaft. Good luck with the 'Luddite Pool Tour'.
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Urging new players to quit seems very popular with some of you guys, as does insulting people who never insulted you.

You're quite an ambassador for the game! You should start a pool tour called "Just quit playing pool."
 
Minnesota Phat said:
Oh, I've spent quite a bit of money on pool cues. If I wanted a CF shaft, I'd have one.

My objections to CF are: 1) I hate the way they look and the way they sound, 2) I love the way that wooden shafts look and sound, and 3) I dislike that pool is arguably becoming an elitist sport, since large investments of $$$ are now necessary to compete on an even playing field.

Honestly, I dislike LD in general. Yes, I can play pretty well with my LD shaft, but if I play anyone who doesn't have one, I feel like I'm cheating.

I think wood has vibrance and heart, whereas I think CF shafts are cold and heartless.

Not everyone has to agree with me - some people like New Coke, and I prefer Coke Classic - but I'd like those people who do agree with me to think about how we can have tournaments and competitions that use the same equipment available to Minnesota Fats and Willie Mosconi, rather than "space age technology" that does provide an advantage, but at a cost to the beauty and fairness of the game.
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Your new nickname is John McEnroe. Back when tennis was transitioning from wood rackets to larger composite rackets John McEnroe had an absolute meltdown over it. lol

With my new Predator cue and Revo CF shaft costing only $919 people are not being priced out of the sport.
 
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