Carbon Fiber Shafts should be Banned

Minnesota Phat said:
Table time is expensive. A lot of people can just barely afford the table time, if they can afford it at all, and they don't have money beyond that to buy a high tech shaft.
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Then do what we did. I started with my families YMCA membership. They had a 3c table, one 9' pool table and a bumper pool table. While my brothers sucked up chlorine in the swimming pool, I played pool. Several nights a week if I could.
Then in '72 I dodged the draft by joining the Navy. Every barrack had a pool table and when I arrived at NAS Miramar I found that they had a full blown pool hall. Can't remember ever not playing for lack of table time.
 
buckshotshoey said:
Do you think any of us had money to buy more extravagant things when we were younger? The answer is no. We all had to scrimp and save for the things we wanted. When I started playing pool I either had to use a bar stick or a cheap ass Kmart cue. I didnt whine and complain because somebody else had a $500 Cue.

I have said this before if some of you remember, but the younger generation has the instant gratification attitude syndrome. They don't want to work save for something they want. They want it handed to them Well, guess what? The world doesn't work like that.

If there is one thing we today is JOBS. There are jobs everywhere. Get off you fat lazy ass, turn off the XBox, and go out and get a part time job if you want something. It's that simple.
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Those dang young people!

Back in my day, you had to run uphill barefoot through a hail of bullets and razor-wire, then wrench the gold teeth from the corpses of your enemies, if you wanted to make enough money to be able to afford a good pool cue. Half of my platoon was wiped out in one day of trying to make enough money to play a game of Balkline.

Ah, the good ole days. Now a young person just has to work 400 hours a month at a minimum-wage job in order to afford an apartment and a car - those sissies!

(OK, now I actually am trolling, but you started it).
 
MajorMiscue said:
Then do what we did. I started with my families YMCA membership. They had a 3c table, one 9' pool table and a bumper pool table. While my brothers sucked up chlorine in the swimming pool, I played pool. Several nights a week if I could.
Then in '72 I dodged the draft by joining the Navy. Every barrack had a pool table and when I arrived at NAS Miramar I found that they had a full blown pool hall. Can't remember ever not playing for lack of table time.
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Does the military still have pool tables? I'm pretty sure that my local YMCA doesn't have any.

I'm not sure if "join the military" is a good answer to younger people who may be interested in getting serious about playing pool, but it's about the best answer I've gotten so far.

Small world stuff: my dad was in the Navy around that time. Did you spend any time on an LSM(R) in Vietnam?
 
Minnesota Phat said:
Those dang young people!

Back in my day, you had to run uphill barefoot through a hail of bullets and razor-wire, then wrench the gold teeth from the corpses of your enemies, if you wanted to make enough money to be able to afford a good pool cue. Half of my platoon was wiped out in one day of trying to make enough money to play a game of Balkline.

Ah, the good ole days. Now a young person just has to work 400 hours a month at a minimum-wage job in order to afford an apartment and a car - those sissies!

(OK, now I actually am trolling, but you started it).
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Bullshit! You are a fucking moron! I can show you right now where there's a dozen 20 + dollar an hour jobs out there in my area alone. If you want to stay at a minimum wage job, I don't feel a bit fucking sorry for you!
 
The whole thread is a waste of time. Carbon fiber cues have no discernable advantage, so banning them is pointless. The people going on and on about power transfer are the same people who use soft tips, negating whatever miniscule advantage that could have possibly existed. Let them waste their money in peace.
 
Minnesota Phat said:
I own a really good LD shaft, but I feel that it gives me an unfair advantage against those who don't want to spend a lot of money on a pool cue,
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Oh puullleaze. Those poor destitute newbie saps just need your sympathy. It sounds like you've made an ideal excuse to lose. If you lose to them it was just because you didn't pull out your high tech weaponry due to a sense of fairness. 😂
Minnesota Phat said:
and I still prefer the aesthetics and game-play of old-school shafts - they're harder to play with, but I think they're also much cooler.
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Nothing wrong with that. But LD isn't easier to play with. All shafts have deflection, you just gotta put in enough time to get a feel for aiming. I like my LD, but it's not really any kind of advantage over my old school sticks. If you use a stick long enough you just get a feel for it. I can switch between the two with little disadvantage.
 
A carbon fiber cue with a concave tip has a significantly different hit profile then a carbon fiber cue with a traditional tip.

There is scientific evidence to suggest a ban of carbon fiber shafts is power capping the player performance.
 
justnum said:
A carbon fiber cue with a concave tip has a significantly different hit profile then a carbon fiber cue with a traditional tip.

There is scientific evidence to suggest a ban of carbon fiber shafts is power capping the player performance.
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A concave tip?

And Show me the so called evidence.
 
Minnesota Phat said:
Does the military still have pool tables? I'm pretty sure that my local YMCA doesn't have any.

I'm not sure if "join the military" is a good answer to younger people who may be interested in getting serious about playing pool, but it's about the best answer I've gotten so far.

Small world stuff: my dad was in the Navy around that time. Did you spend any time on an LSM(R) in Vietnam?
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When I was in basic training in the 90s, a few of the barracks had tables. Technically we were not allowed to head over to the other ones, especially to visit a girl, but I did, and kicked butt, no one there had an idea that you can actually control the cueball so my position play was magic voodoo luck to them.
 
Straightpool_99 said:
The whole thread is a waste of time. Carbon fiber cues have no discernable advantage, so banning them is pointless. The people going on and on about power transfer are the same people who use soft tips, negating whatever miniscule advantage that could have possibly existed. Let them waste their money in peace.
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I have played with dozens of different shafts, and I can say 100% the better CF shafts get more action on the cueball. To the point I don't use one when playing on small or fast tables. Everyone that played with those shafts (Revo most notably) has said the same thing to me, I don't mean those that hit with it for 2 shots, those that played several games with them, and except for the older grouchy stubborn people, they all wanted to swap to a CF. The point of them making someone play better or win more is still a debate though, just because you can move the ball further or easier does not mean you can control the position or the aiming or the strategy, which is where the game of pool lives.
 
buckshotshoey said:
A concave tip?

And Show me the so called evidence.
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Study the vanishing point lines and compare.
 
Minnesota Phat said:
The majority of people under 34 are in a financial situation where playing pool is prohibitively expensive, unless they have access to a free pool table. Even if they fall in love with the game, their options to actually play it are limited, and so making it even more expensive chases a lot of would-be players away from the table.

Maybe they can scrape and save enough to afford 20 hours at the table a week, but then adding additional expenses makes it hopeless.
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If a person is introduced to pool and gets the "bug" nothing will stop them. They will find a person who has a table, get a job at the pool hall,
play on a daily special, go to a bar where they can win and the incoming player pays for the next game, and on and on. Nothing will stop them.
 
hang-the-9 said:
WTF does this have to do with playing pool?
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Profile hit performance based on shaft and tip, its yin and yang. A duality of math laws.

This is whole thread exclusive to the banning of CF shafts has left out tips.

You do know why pool cues have tips installed on them? Or is it just a standard fact without any understanding?
 
DeeDeeCues said:
That is subject to taste. Arguing about ugly is a waste of time.

Case in point:. Julia Roberts was once considered a beauty icon. I think she is about as pretty as the horse she stole her face from. Her older brother looks exactly like her when he grows his hair long.
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I've always said she looked like the south end of a north-bound horse :)
 
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