Jayson Shaw's 714 becomes 669?

DynoDan said:
I agree. If a ‘crater’ exists in the footspot sticker (from breaking 8/9 ball), which prevents the head ball from being tight, then likely the rack outline may get drawn a bit higher than spec. If playing somewhere that prohibits drawing on the cloth, then the position of the successively racked balls gets much more arbitrary, and dependent on the spatial conception abilities of the racker.
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Any place that prohibits using a pencil to mark the lines isn't a place I want to play.

Not if the rack is set and lines drawn. The rack outline determines the rack placement. I mean you could rack the balls ANYWHERE on the table and put an outline around the rack and use that to get the same position every single time. You could make a rule that the center ball is the missing ball and not the head ball. You could make a rule that the breaker gets to choose what ball is missing so that they can get break shots where one wouldn't otherwise exist.

But the rules as they currently stand are that the rack should be marked and the rack positioned in the same place every time. That's how it's done in every major and minor straight pool competition in Europe.
 
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JB Cases said:
The slate is not deformed by the ball being tapped into place. There is no "crater" (great use of a word by a Public Relations Propagandist) in the slate. The cloth fibers are what is flattened and causes the depressed area around the spot. I think you are LYING to try and make a point and that you have NEVER seen a slate with a depression at the spot area.
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I have no idea which particular table is being discussed. I will tell you that slate under the foot spot can most definitely become eroded. Cloth becomes compressed first and over time the slate erodes.
 
telinoz said:
Look on the bright side for all of this drama the last few years.
There will be fully documented rules and equipment criteria for future exhibition record attempts once the BCA publication comes out.

All a TD, sponsors have to worry about then is following it to the letter.
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Yes but it's a shame that it took the theft of Mosconi's long standing Legit record to divert attention, any advert is good advert - not in my book. Woke media divisional concept - Yes. I am truly thankful to be apart of the Open Public that does not trust the Nations leading experts and leans on seeing verifiable evidence rather than emotional evidence. While I trust Shaw a great deal more than schmidt - Shaw's performance was not a live performance as semi' advertised. STOP FIBBING TO THE PUBLIC WOKE MEDIAS Consider me apart of the 526 club and Cranfield's record is probly the true record to surpass on Camera - continual play - and not facebook loss of feed woke record keepin'. movin goal posts around with smoke and mirrors - does not mean 526 has been surpassed. But yea I SEE u were trying to cell' the 626 cue and all dat nonsense - who bot' u?
 
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Today's standards for verifying a new pool record has improved significantly.

John S. had some questionable racks. He still ran out, does it matter if it was a little low or a little high.

Jayson S. missed a foul.

Who knows what else past pool generations didn't think to check or specify? Do you have any ideas?
 
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Dan White said:
The outline drawn on the table should match the rack being used. I don't think that's too much to ask for a world record setting run. Otherwise, what's the point?
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Common sense - you have Dan, and yes the bca certificates and rack mechanics - have certainly put them selfies on the spot. Or maybe I should say in the crater.
 
Dan Harriman said:
Yes but it's a shame that it took the theft of Mosconi's long standing Legit record to divert attention, any advert is good advert - not in my book. Woke media divisional concept - Yes. I am truly thankful to be apart of the Open Public that does not trust the Nations leading experts and leans on seeing verifiable evidence rather than emotional evidence. While I trust Shaw a great deal more than schmidt - Shaw's performance was not a live performance as semi' advertised. STOP FIBBING TO THE PUBLIC WOKE MEDIAS Consider me apart of the 526 club and Cranfield's record is probly the true record to surpass on Camera - continual play - and not facebook loss of feed woke record keepin'. movin goal posts around with smoke and mirrors - does not mean 526 has been surpassed. But yea I SEE u were trying to cell' the 626 cue and all dat nonsense - who bot' u?
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Your post was fine till the last sentence... What?

For the record, I am in nobody's camp on this record attempt. Just been following this issue and attempts for years. Lot's of claims made and mud slinging about John, the table specs etc.
Then when this latest crowd get an event going they do things they complained about with John.. Hilarious and sad. The prep work, if you just want to highlight Facebook feed everyone knows time limits. YouTube has none, lol.
I don't doubt Jayson run at all, it was amazing and he will no doubt top it soon. Next time, maybe, as its the same crowd, they will learn from mistakes and leave no questions about table, referee, full live feed etc.. Its not hard to do.
 
Someone from near me kneck of the tree's advised me - If I cannot prove that j.s. and bca - did not in fact run the 626 on unedirted' camera footage - to not to go down that Path i.e. warned me. The fact that he and or bca never released any unedited video - footage THEY CLAIMED TO HAVE to Open Public is all the proof I will ever need - that it is a media lie and or bogus claim. If I did not have personal experience in dealing with schmidt antics or think he was truly a Coward - I would never have been so Adamant bout my opinion. If cowards come after me for asking to see evidence I make sure they get my good side, goody two, goody two, goody goody two shoes.
 
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The BCA committee did not watch a facebook feed, they watched a recording without any loss. Good enough for me. Not sure why so many people want to claim foul play on Jayson without anything to go by.
 
Sheldon said:
The BCA committee did not watch a facebook feed, they watched a recording without any loss. Good enough for me. Not sure why so many people want to claim foul play on Jayson without anything to go by.
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Yes all of the hand selected BCA Committee guys and video experts and Billiard experts saw the entire unedited video and they had me stop and rewind the video to look for fouls and other things on at least 30 different occasions. The only thing they didn't research was to find issues with was Jaysons underwear. It was completely Bias. Schmidts so called 6 hour and 30 minute video was reviewed by 3 people and 2 of them don't play pool or know about pool at all or any rules and the 3rd person was a knowledgeable guy in his 70's who is good friends with John. Definitely not viewed by the same people and not scrutinized the same. I did ask if John had made contact with the BCA rep before Jaysons video was seen and after it was seen and the BCA rep said John called him constantly. So They were being coached by John to scrutinize Jaysons video every way possible. Welcome to the world of corrupt Billiards where someone can say they run 626 and have a run certified with no scrutiny with a camera far away from the table and no video experts to view it along with heaters under the table,rack high ,low or tilted and take the balls off the table to polish them and replace the entire rack after a run starts and it doesn't matter.John also was messaging Jayson all week long many times while he was playing to shark him (I saw all the messages from Jayson)
So why doesn't John release a video now because he can't make any more money from dinner parties and he can make money from video sales. I'm sure a lot of people would pay for a copy including myself. Sounds better than to beg fir donations through go fund me.If he doesn't make the run available to the public then he is hiding things and Jayson might have the only run over 500 on video.
 
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wrldpro said:
. . . It was completely biased.
. . .I did ask if John had made contact with the BCA rep before Jayson's video was seen and after it was seen and the BCA rep said John called him constantly. So they were being coached by John to scrutinize Jayson's video every way possible. Welcome to the world of corrupt Billiards where someone can say they run 626 . . . John also was messaging Jayson all week long many times while he was playing to shark him (I saw all the messages from Jayson)
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This is all so completely enraging to read about, Bobby.

If you look up "dishonorable" in Webster's dictionary there's likely a picture of John and the BCA logo now. Or soon should be.

The last (excerpted) sentence about sharking is just so hard to stomach. But sad to say -- inarguably believable.

Arnaldo ~ I'm rooting for Jayson to now be amped to run 900 or 1,000 to stick it to all of the malevolent ones cited above.
 
I don't want to read 32 pages of this thread. What's the bottom line? No opinions, just facts. Is it officially 669 or 714?
 
714 w/ cue ball fouls only & 669 w/all ball fouls. They changed the rule of cue ball fouls
only to all ball fouls at the review. Clearly, they were out to discredit Jayson's run! It's 714
in my eye's!
 
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