Would You Still Gamble With This Guy?

Get_A_Grip said:
We were gambling at 10-ball. We play 8-ball in leagues. He hates to gamble at 8-ball, as that is when I've been able to beat him when giving him huge spots.


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You can apply quite a few rules that you are used to playing 8 ball or 9 ball leagues to a 10 ball match.
 
Get_A_Grip said:
I'm just curious what everyone thinks of this gambling story that happened last night after leagues. I've been gambling with this teammate many times before after our leagues. Normally between $50 and $100 a set. Based on our preliminary Fargo Ratings, I'm supposed to play him with me going to 7 and him going to 6. However, I've beat him in the past playing 8-ball at 5-3 and he gets all the breaks, at 6-3 winner breaks, and at 9-5 and he gets all of the breaks. He beat me at 9-5 winner breaks once by 1 game, and a couple other times playing 10 ball at 9-5 with him getting the 9 ball.

So last night I was playing really good. I won all 3 of my games with 2 table runs. This guy won all 3 games, but made a few mistakes. Because I felt good I decided I would play him and give him a spot again. We played 10-ball with me going to 7 and him going to 5, he gets the 10 ball, and he gets all of the breaks for $50.

He gets up 3-1 (including the spot) and he decides that he's not going to break the balls anymore. He just slowly rolled the cue ball into the rack where only 1 or 2 balls hit the rail. He did it on purpose. (An illegal break). The first time he did it, I grabbed the cue ball so I could break. Then he reminded me that he gets ALL THE BREAKS. So he took ball in hand and kept playing safeties behind the rack so I had to keep kicking at the 1 ball until the balls were open enough for him to run out.

He did this the last 2 games until he got to 5 games and won. I was obviously protesting that it was a chicken sh!t move and he admitted that why should he break them open and if he doesn't make a ball, then I could run out and catch up. He then said that he will do whatever he needs to do to win.

Well, my conclusion was that I mainly am playing for the fun of it and it's not enjoyable to play with someone who would do that. It's just not "pool" to me at all with that type of illegal soft break. I basically told him that "he blew it". I was giving him huge spots giving him a really good chance to win, because he would never play 7-6 like Fargo Rate says. And then with a big spot, he had to pull that move on top of it. So I said I wouldn't be playing him anymore.

What do you say? I'm also curious on what everyone thinks could have been done with an illegal break (3 balls or more didn't hit the rail) and he was getting all of the breaks? I didn't make him re-break, because he could have just re-broke until only 3 balls hit a rail and I would be in nearly the same spot.
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Your going play him again because its pissing you off as it should , next time make sure the rules are straight up and next time make sure they are all watching . He will come to you and be patient he will want to play more then you because he is a pussy and he will eventually give you the set up you want then fucking destroy him . Being a good pool player and being a good pool player for money is two different things. Seen a lot of good pool players beat great players when cash is in the game
 
jviss said:
I think you made a mistake here, but know that I'm not an experienced player or gambler. His soft break was a foul, as you point out. At that point you have ball in hand, anywhere on the table. When he said "I get all the breaks!" you should have said, "yes, but that was a foul, and I now have ball in hand." Your shot from ball in hand is not a break.

From the Billiard Congress of America rules:

"3. LEGAL BREAK SHOT. The rules governing the break shot are the same as for other shots except:
a. The breaker must strike the 1-ball first and either pocket a ball or drive at least four numbered balls to the rail.
b. If the cue ball is pocketed or driven off the table, or the requirements of the opening break are not met, it is a foul, and the incoming player has cue ball in hand anywhere on the table."

(Emphasis mine.)
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I agree with "jviss", with cue ball in hand you should be able to really put him in jail. I'd also wait for him to approach you before making any bets and then lay down the rules if he wants to gamble.
 
I would continue to play him. If I understand your OP, you are teammates, somewhat friends, you have gambled in the past, you are the better player and still holding some of his money.

My guess is, he is playing for the purpose of beating you, the better player, and you are playing to outrun the spot, regardless of the player. He found a way to win and that makes him successful.

If you’re friends, laugh it off and let him have his win. Play him again but don’t give him that same opportunity, then outrun the spot you give up. That’s why we play this game anyway, for the challenges it gives us.


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I'd ask hime to play straight up like a man every chance I got, and when he declines, call him a weak ass bitch. That's just me. Maybe you could get him to play, then it's win-win.
 
It sounds like you are up on money and I would keep playing him but know what he pulled last time and fix it. If you can win two out of three matches, you will still be up with whatever bs he pulls. On the other hand, I have quit playing guys I could beat because I did not want to put up with the drama.
 
Get_A_Grip said:
I'm just curious what everyone thinks of this gambling story that happened last night after leagues.

He gets up 3-1 (including the spot) and he decides that he's not going to break the balls anymore. He just slowly rolled the cue ball into the rack where only 1 or 2 balls hit the rail. He did it on purpose. (An illegal break). The first time he did it, I grabbed the cue ball so I could break. Then he reminded me that he gets ALL THE BREAKS. So he took ball in hand and kept playing safeties behind the rack so I had to keep kicking at the 1 ball until the balls were open enough for him to run out.


Well, my conclusion was that I mainly am playing for the fun of it and it's not enjoyable to play with someone who would do that. It's just not "pool" to me at all with that type of illegal soft break. I basically told him that "he blew it". I was giving him huge spots giving him a really good chance to win, because he would never play 7-6 like Fargo Rate says. And then with a big spot, he had to pull that move on top of it. So I said I wouldn't be playing him anymore.

What do you say? I'm also curious on what everyone thinks could have been done with an illegal break (3 balls or more didn't hit the rail) and he was getting all of the breaks? I didn't make him re-break, because he could have just re-broke until only 3 balls hit a rail and I would be in nearly the same spot.
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I say get your safety skills up to Irving Crane level, and you could beat him no matter what he does.
 
there is nothing within the rules you are playing that exempts a person from using them to his advantage especially when playing for money.

but since he has been your patsy you should congratulate him on his prowess but change the spot next set.

nothing wrong with a safe legal break in any game. if his break isnt legal within your agreed rules then its a foul, or a do over if there is a difference of opinion on its legality.

just to continue to resurrect this older thread which is interesting to see how the league non gamblers react.
 
Old thread, but oh well.

It’s peanuts. $50

But, there’s two options here:

-if he doesn’t mind losing a little more than he wins in the long run, and he’s willing to change the spot so that isn’t something he can do, then congratulate him in the text thread and keep going.

Do *not* “tap the fish tank.” I.E. don’t go talk to his friends about it. Don’t remind him you’re better. Tell him he plays too good for that same spot.

I see this all the time at low limit poker. Guy chiding and getting angry at the fish who don’t play well. Stfu, be nice to him, and take the money. If it’s not the right spot, go home and pick a better spot.

-if it’s not a big deal to you, just tell him you don’t want to play him anymore.


Anything more than that is just a waste of your time. And it might kill other action or give you a bad rep for taking money from teammates and then quitting when one gets the better of you once.
 
Last time I gambled at Pool was over 10 years ago at Stateline Motel in Misquete, NV. They had room with some funky tables.

League thing was ending and guy want to play for money.

I said I would play for a beer, think it was 8 ball one game.

He lost and was packing up, and I said my beer please. Did get beer, but guy was not good player.

Think he could have been sort of over beered already.

Never like gambling on Pool, as you never know outcome.

Lots of gambling is just stealing in disguise.
 
Getting all of the breaks doesn't mean he can illegal break.

You get minus 5 points for ever allowing it. You've been beating the guy and you let him do it.

He's not at fault, but the game you think you made is allowing him an illegal advantage.

If I were you, I wouldn't play with myself. lol no pun intended. :)

Get_A_Grip said:
I'm just curious what everyone thinks of this gambling story that happened last night after leagues. I've been gambling with this teammate many times before after our leagues. Normally between $50 and $100 a set. Based on our preliminary Fargo Ratings, I'm supposed to play him with me going to 7 and him going to 6. However, I've beat him in the past playing 8-ball at 5-3 and he gets all the breaks, at 6-3 winner breaks, and at 9-5 and he gets all of the breaks. He beat me at 9-5 winner breaks once by 1 game, and a couple other times playing 10 ball at 9-5 with him getting the 9 ball.

So last night I was playing really good. I won all 3 of my games with 2 table runs. This guy won all 3 games, but made a few mistakes. Because I felt good I decided I would play him and give him a spot again. We played 10-ball with me going to 7 and him going to 5, he gets the 10 ball, and he gets all of the breaks for $50.

He gets up 3-1 (including the spot) and he decides that he's not going to break the balls anymore. He just slowly rolled the cue ball into the rack where only 1 or 2 balls hit the rail. He did it on purpose. (An illegal break). The first time he did it, I grabbed the cue ball so I could break. Then he reminded me that he gets ALL THE BREAKS. So he took ball in hand and kept playing safeties behind the rack so I had to keep kicking at the 1 ball until the balls were open enough for him to run out.

He did this the last 2 games until he got to 5 games and won. I was obviously protesting that it was a chicken sh!t move and he admitted that why should he break them open and if he doesn't make a ball, then I could run out and catch up. He then said that he will do whatever he needs to do to win.

Well, my conclusion was that I mainly am playing for the fun of it and it's not enjoyable to play with someone who would do that. It's just not "pool" to me at all with that type of illegal soft break. I basically told him that "he blew it". I was giving him huge spots giving him a really good chance to win, because he would never play 7-6 like Fargo Rate says. And then with a big spot, he had to pull that move on top of it. So I said I wouldn't be playing him anymore.

What do you say? I'm also curious on what everyone thinks could have been done with an illegal break (3 balls or more didn't hit the rail) and he was getting all of the breaks? I didn't make him re-break, because he could have just re-broke until only 3 balls hit a rail and I would be in nearly the same spot.
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Fatboy said:
That’s called hustling. It’s not a bad thing.

Unless you own a casino-then it’s called business

Dumping is a bad thing

Protect yourself at all times

Best of luck
Fatboy🎰
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Casino always win, because games are in their favor.

Love people who say they always win, they loose or lie.🤭
 
CocoboloCowboy said:
Casino always win, because games are in their favor.

Love people who say they always win, they loose or lie.🤭
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Actually, there are lifetime winners. The odds just aren’t in their favor.

Math is math. Most will lose. But some will always be lifetime winners against the house.

Also, poker isn’t against the house. If you’re good enough to heat the rake, your +EV.
 
And you want people to win at times or be lifetime winners.

Unless a complete degenerate, people feel there is a chance when they hear or see winners.

Similar situation for the OP. Unless the dude is just giving away money (doesn’t sound like it), he needs to win sometimes.
 
jviss said:
Again, what set of pool rules makes a break with a pocketed ball an illegal break? Any that I know are a pocketed ball or four balls must hit a rail or, and so on.
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2 balls hit a rail and 1 ball pocketed would be an illegal break if the requirement was for 4 balls to hit rails and/or be pocketed or any combination (a pocketed ball counts the same as rail contact) is the requirement.
 
vapoolplayer said:
Old thread, but oh well.

It’s peanuts. $50

But, there’s two options here:

-if he doesn’t mind losing a little more than he wins in the long run, and he’s willing to change the spot so that isn’t something he can do, then congratulate him in the text thread and keep going.

Do *not* “tap the fish tank.” I.E. don’t go talk to his friends about it. Don’t remind him you’re better. Tell him he plays too good for that same spot.

I see this all the time at low limit poker. Guy chiding and getting angry at the fish who don’t play well. Stfu, be nice to him, and take the money. If it’s not the right spot, go home and pick a better spot.

-if it’s not a big deal to you, just tell him you don’t want to play him anymore.


Anything more than that is just a waste of your time. And it might kill other action or give you a bad rep for taking money from teammates and then quitting when one gets the better of you once.
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This is well put. Do *not* “tap the fish tank.”. Sounds like you are trying to lose a customer. Find a you tactic or adjust the game to negate the one he's using. Either way smile and don't lose a good customer.
 
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