If believing that gives you the confidence in the system you need, that's great for you. But not everybody wants to (or is even able to) ignore the logic that says that's impossible.
pj
chgo
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pj
chgo
We amateurs who use it which also includes top pro players, top ranked amateurs, various instructors in the US as well as foreign countries know for a fact how logical it is. You, a non-user whose only claim to fame is the destruction of CTE for 25 years is naturally going to say what you always say...it isn't LOGICAL. (Among other things) So what else is new? Btw, "everybody" is only a handful of people that doesn't even reach double digits on this forum.
If that’s what you believe why not post the detailed logic to put us in our place once and for all. Reality is all you have is a keyboard opinion, nothing else
Don't forget, it must be in the form of a video with him at the table breaking it all down with real balls and pockets. Not some 2D bullshit drawings or empty regurgitated words from two decades + old posts.
I've done that several times too - I guess you guys missed it as it flew over your heads. But since you invite me, here it is again - if you don't want to see it just don't look up as usual.
For everybody else:
Logic says there are too many shot alignments needed in pool for any system to define them all without being too complex to use at the table. I've shown how many are needed (up to 50 or more) several times too, most recently in this very thread.
pj
chgo
Not very detailed and it doesn’t apply to CTE. CTE uses 6 basic alignments to solve most shots. Yes a variety of angles fall under each alignment and the system solves each one of them for the given alignment. I know you don’t get this but you could with a CTE lesson.
A pivot (inside or outside) from any of the 6 basic alignments covers a range of 2-4 or more actual shot alignments. I've never seen any instruction that specifies how to pivot to each one. Even if only 1 pivot amount for each basic alignment was all that's needed, how does the system account for the amount changing as the basic alignments get farther from centerball?
P.S. 6 basic alignments doesn't "solve most shots" - maybe 10% or so, based on the need for 50 or more total shot alignments.
pj
chgo
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In basic cte there is always just one pivot amount, half tip to center CB, that's it.
The rest is what you guys have never really understood. Each center to edge line hits the OB in a different spot creating a different angle. As does each edge to center line. With each ball position a unique set of lines are created. Every set up while using the 15 is exactly the same but creates a new angle because the lines are unique to each ball position.
Two ball positions that fall under a 15 outside are shot exactly the same.
Meaning two different cut angles can be made with the exact same shot alignment? And that doesn't sound implausible to you?
If so, never mind - this is clearly not a subject we can communicate about. At least you don't explode like a pinata with each disagreement - thanks for having at least that much self control.
pj
chgo
Yes it sounds silly from behind a computer. I totally agree with you. But I’m doing it on the table all the time. I am 100% honestly doing it at the table all the time. Now.
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Any headway you think you might have made has resulted in a big fat zero. This back-and-forth exercise by him was nothing more than at attempt to put together everything you stated to produce some twisted bullshit even more bizarre in the future
to use as new talking points and attacks. He didn't understand one iota of what you posted, didn't want to and never will, and could care less because he doesn't believe any of it or cares. It's all about the "put downs" why it doesn't work when in fact it does. Way too many pro players, top instructors, and amateurs around the world using it now but for him, it doesn't matter.
He still wants to try salvaging something, anything, after his 25-year whacky obsession. Just watch. It shouldn't take long.
MajorMiscue
Democat
Physics be damned.
Do you have any information to dispute what I said. Tell us all about the physics or is this just another hit and run from a wannabe
He's a well known member, according to him. His join date was 3 months ago. He has a twin brother named LieutenantMiscue.
MajorMiscue
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MajorMiscue
Democat
Meaning two different cut angles can be made with the exact same shot alignment? And that doesn't sound implausible to you?
But I’m doing it on the table all the time. I am 100% honestly doing it at the table all the time. Now.
Two points on a plane establish a line. "The exact same shot alignment" would be cb to ob, twice the same, "making different cut angles". That violates the rules of physics. "The exact same alignment will always yield the exact same cut angle, it must, otherwise something is not "the exact same".
But I’m doing it on the table all the time. I am 100% honestly doing it at the table all the time. Now.
Two points on a plane establish a line. "The exact same shot alignment" would be cb to ob, twice the same, "making different cut angles". That violates the rules of physics. "The exact same alignment will always yield the exact same cut angle, it must, otherwise something is not "the exact same".
i find cookie to be honorable .
and if the proponents of CTE say they can get a range of angles from the same visual you can take them at their word or not
but if you do not and have not really gone thru learning CTE and change how you see the object ball /cue ball relation
you are not seeing the table thru their eyes .
if it seems illogical to you...ok
dont use it and move on
its obvious one side is not going to win this disagreement
for example if you see a vase in the picture below and i tell you you are wrong its 2 faces
until you see what i see we cant agree
No. You just don’t understand the subject at hand. Do you have any experience with CTE aiming?
MajorMiscue
Democat
I have experience with physics. "Exact same shot alignment" has meaning. It means the two shots were aligned identically.
"Identically - exactly the same way."
"Aligned - place or arrange (things) in a straight line."
Two shots "aligned identically" will produce the same cut angle unless you are trying to sneak in some other variable, which would negate "identical"
"Identically - exactly the same way."
"Aligned - place or arrange (things) in a straight line."
Two shots "aligned identically" will produce the same cut angle unless you are trying to sneak in some other variable, which would negate "identical"
Each center to edge line hits the OB in a different spot creating a different angle. As does each edge to center line. With each ball position a unique set of lines are created. Every set up while using the 15 is exactly the same but creates a new angle because the lines are unique to each ball position.
Two ball positions that fall under a 15 outside are shot exactly the same.
Cookie, nice try. But here's what just happened with this guy, PJ, and ALL of the math wizards who are locked within their mental confinements that create barriers to any of CTE, Shishkabob, etc. They absolutely cannot, under any circumstances, think OUTSIDE the box!
Here are your words and concepts in action: