There is a thread in the Rules section about playing 10 ball where a ball was made in the wrong pocket, the question was "if the other team passes on the shot, does the player that just shot shoot again or does the partner shoot"? https://forums.azbilliards.com/threads/10-ball-scotch-doubles-question.545077/
My view was that the partner should shoot in this case since the other player already took his shot and missed, the fact you can give the shot back in the 10 ball rules should not change that.
This caused me to think of, what I think, is a good way to classify what shots are considered passed or given to the same player and what shots are shot by the next person in line. Active shots and Passive shots. Passive shots are those that do not actively take place in a game as a turn, so a lag, coin flip, or a push-out are Passive. One determines who breaks, the push out is a special shot that is done to setup the game start. Active shots are when someone tries to make a ball, plays a safe or commits a foul. Once a player executes an Active shot, their turn is done no matter what happens after that or what the other team does.
A Passive shot has not yet formed an order so if someone lags and wins the lag, either player can choose to break. Otherwise if we look at a lag, is the lag a shot? If it is, then the next player has to break since the lagger just shot. So if we classify the lag as Passive, we now have a reason and a "rule" to go by when picking who shoots next. For the push-out, it's a passive shot in the sense the push-out is itself a unique special shot where the player executing it waits for the opponent to decide who shoots. So with a push-out, it can also be a passive shot, where the player that pushed out is still at the table for his turn but without the need to move to the next player in line, the push-out in doubles would go back to whoever just shot it. The Passive shot of a push-out has not determined that the player did a shot as defined by this idea so does not have to leave the table for his partner to take the shot if it's passed and it just goes back to the player at the table.
I know this sounds a bit like a PoolKillers post with a bit of a new rule and terms for shots, but I really think this would simplify the thinking and decision making of doubles play.
My view was that the partner should shoot in this case since the other player already took his shot and missed, the fact you can give the shot back in the 10 ball rules should not change that.
This caused me to think of, what I think, is a good way to classify what shots are considered passed or given to the same player and what shots are shot by the next person in line. Active shots and Passive shots. Passive shots are those that do not actively take place in a game as a turn, so a lag, coin flip, or a push-out are Passive. One determines who breaks, the push out is a special shot that is done to setup the game start. Active shots are when someone tries to make a ball, plays a safe or commits a foul. Once a player executes an Active shot, their turn is done no matter what happens after that or what the other team does.
A Passive shot has not yet formed an order so if someone lags and wins the lag, either player can choose to break. Otherwise if we look at a lag, is the lag a shot? If it is, then the next player has to break since the lagger just shot. So if we classify the lag as Passive, we now have a reason and a "rule" to go by when picking who shoots next. For the push-out, it's a passive shot in the sense the push-out is itself a unique special shot where the player executing it waits for the opponent to decide who shoots. So with a push-out, it can also be a passive shot, where the player that pushed out is still at the table for his turn but without the need to move to the next player in line, the push-out in doubles would go back to whoever just shot it. The Passive shot of a push-out has not determined that the player did a shot as defined by this idea so does not have to leave the table for his partner to take the shot if it's passed and it just goes back to the player at the table.
I know this sounds a bit like a PoolKillers post with a bit of a new rule and terms for shots, but I really think this would simplify the thinking and decision making of doubles play.
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