Gorst is winning everything in sight

Vahmurka said:
Alrighty then, let's lock them up in a den with a 10-footer for a week and see who prevails! :D

On a side note, is there any agreement on who is really the best? Let's assume Filler or Gorst beat the good spirit out of the other two in such a contest (10 races to 120, 50 sets of race to 25, playing 15 ahead, you name it). And assume FSR is the one winning this and that, US Open, the Worlds, Masters and whatever. But he loses to either of the other two in such H2H.

So, who is the best then???
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The best is the one that outperforms the other two in competition. In 2022, FSR was the best. Now we'll see who's the best in the tournaments of 2023.

Even if he doesn't travel to all the majors, Fedor will have ample opportunity to show his quality in the Americas. He has already shown it at Derby City, and he'll get to show it in the US Pro Billiards Series 10-ball events, the World 10-ball, the US Open, the International Open, and the World 8-ball.

Winning a nine-ball major has become almost impossible these days. Because the fields are so deep, Cinderellas have nearly no chance to win major events anymore.

Here are the winners of the 9-ball majors since the Matchroom rankings began at the 2021 International 9-ball.

2021 International 9-ball: Albin Ouschan
2022 Derby City 9-ball: Francisco Sanchez -Ruiz
2022 World Pool Championship: Shane Van Boening
2022 UK Open: Josh Filler
2022 World Games: Josh Filler
2022 European Open: Albin Ouschan
2022 US Open 9-ball: Francisco Sanchez-Ruiz
2022 International Open: Jayson Shaw
2023 Derby City Classic 9-ball: Fedor Gorst
2023 World Pool Championship: Francisco Sanchez-Ruiz

The Matchroom Invitationals, also featuring killer fields, were won by:

2022 Premier League Pool: Albin Ouschan
2022 World Pool Masters: Josh Filler
2022 World Cup of Pool: Team Spain (Sanchez -Ruiz and Alcaide)

What happens outside of tournament play means nothing to this fan. Tournament play is doing such an outstanding job of sorting out the elite.
 
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straightline said:
What's complicated about 15 ball rotation, last ball, no points?
BnR is a point.
Full rack run is a point.
First declared and successful out is a point.
Everything else is for the next break only.

The captain hook ploys involve moving inopportunely situated balls either directly or by legal combinations and other secondary contacts. Ball in hand is big with a 15ball out.
And besides the idea was a 10 footer wasn't it? There is not _enough_ congestion on those.
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I declare my positions are unchanged and I no longer wish to engage in further dialogue with you about them.
 
sjm said:
The best is the one that outperforms the other two in competition. In 2022, FSR was the best. Now we'll see who's the best in the tournaments of 2023.

Even if he doesn't travel to all the majors, Fedor will have ample opportunity to show his quality in the Americas. He has already shown it at Derby City, and he'll get to show it in the US Pro Billiards Series 10-ball events, the World 10-ball, the US Open, the International Open, and the World 8-ball.

Winning a nine-ball major has become almost impossible these days. Because the fields are so deep, Cinderellas have nearly no chance to win major events anymore.

Here are the winners of the 9-ball majors since the Matchroom rankings began at the 2021 International 9-ball.

2021 International 9-ball: Albin Ouschan
2022 Derby City 9-ball: Francisco Sanchez -Ruiz
2022 World Pool Championship: Shane Van Boening
2022 UK Open: Josh Filler
2022 World Games: Josh Filler
2022 European Open: Albin Ouschan
2022 US Open 9-ball: Francisco Sanchez-Ruiz
2022 International Open: Jayson Shaw
2023 Derby City Classic 9-ball: Fedor Gorst
2023 World Pool Championship: Francisco Sanchez-Ruiz

The invitationals, also featuring killer fields, were won by:

2022 Premier League Pool: Albin Ouschan
2022 World Pool Masters: Josh Filler
2022 World Cup of Pool: Team Spain (Sanchez -Ruiz and Alcaide)

What happens outside of tournament play means nothing to this fan. Tournament play is doing such an outstanding job of sorting out the elite.
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But how many tournaments did Fedor not get to play in? Icount about 10 on your list. Wewon't know for several year's i think.
Then there will be new kid's in town.
 
decent dennis said:
But how many tournaments did Fedor not get to play in? Icount about 10 on your list. Wewon't know for several year's i think.
Then there will be new kid's in town.
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he didn't do too well at the US open. don't remember world 10-ball/8-ball or the international but he didn't get to the finals in either of them. zielinski played better than gorst in all of them and he's not even in the discussion
 
We'll see how 2023 pans out with a lot of big events on USA soil that Fedor will be able to play in. He might not win the MR "Points", but I'm betting he will be #1 in money won on the AZB list, and #1 on the FargoRate list. I think he's going to travel to every medium sized event and bigger, and many smaller regional events. It will be a good show for us fans.

I wonder if he has a longer term business plan? Maybe he's going to win a bunch of tournaments and put all the dough in a pool related business?
 
iusedtoberich said:
We'll see how 2023 pans out with a lot of big events on USA soil that Fedor will be able to play in. He might not win the MR "Points", but I'm betting he will be #1 in money won on the AZB list, and #1 on the FargoRate list. I think he's going to travel to every medium sized event and bigger, and many smaller regional events. It will be a good show for us fans.

I wonder if he has a longer term business plan? Maybe he's going to win a bunch of tournaments and put all the dough in a pool related business?
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I think he is trying to become a citizen, and something in that process means he cannot travel internationally. I could be wrong though.

kollegedave
 
Vahmurka said:
Alrighty then, let's lock them up in a den with a 10-footer for a week and see who prevails! :D

On a side note, is there any agreement on who is really the best? Let's assume Filler or Gorst beat the good spirit out of the other two in such a contest (10 races to 120, 50 sets of race to 25, playing 15 ahead, you name it). And assume FSR is the one winning this and that, US Open, the Worlds, Masters and whatever. But he loses to either of the other two in such H2H.

So, who is the best then???
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Obviously FSR. No brainer
Most other sports go by major tournaments won. Why do experts consider Ronnie, Stephen Hendry, Steffi Graf, Serena Williams, Pele, Messi GOAT or GOAT contenders of their sport? :LOL:
sjm said:
What happens outside of tournament play means nothing to this fan. Tournament play is doing such an outstanding job of sorting out the elite.
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Agree. Same here :LOL: Races to 10000 are side shows
 
skogstokig said:
he didn't do too well at the US open. don't remember world 10-ball/8-ball or the international but he didn't get to the finals in either of them. zielinski played better than gorst in all of them and he's not even in the discussion
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While all of this true, it's ultimately unfair to measure him in this way.

For about six months (Feb 2022 through July 2022), Fedor was denied an opportunity to compete against the game's elite, and this temporarily reduced his competitive pedigree. He was playing in events that rarely had any other 800+ players. He needed a few events against the elite to regain his pedigree, and it came back within a few months of the end of the Russian ban. Look what Fedor did from November 2022 and on in rotation games:

2022 International Bigfoot 10-ball: First place, earned by beating four members of Team Europe
2022 International 9-ball: Bronze medal
2023 Derby City 9-ball: 1st place in a field that also included SVB, Pagulayan, Filler, Shaw, Garcia, and Woodward.

There's not a shred of evidence that anyone's a favorite over Fedor right now, although FSR and Filler are quite clearly on the same level.
 
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tomatoshooter said:
You can't have that much of the play be essentially meaningless.
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I wouldn't say getting through a rack is meaningless. Remember there's a set going on. The points still need to be acquired. No count emphasizes that aspect. And I think the context here is determining the best of the bunch. Same principle 14.1 used to be based on.
I think there is more meaningful pool required for this type of play that should be explored and sorted out.
 
I think you can take the top ten or so in Fargo, match them up and flip a coin. On any given day one can beat the other unless you play a really long set to see if one can pull away. Which I doubt.
 
FunChamp said:
I think you can take the top ten or so in Fargo, match them up and flip a coin. On any given day one can beat the other unless you play a really long set to see if one can pull away. Which I doubt.
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Given the political implications of nationalistic winners and losers, perhaps. I just look at pool. So much is left ignored as impractical that there is easily room for evolution. Mosconi was able to gas it and pull away wasn't he?

Incidentally many of you have actual access to this bunch of suspects and I'd be interested in any of their opinions - the many OR the players themselves. Ideas please, no flames.
 
FunChamp said:
I think you can take the top ten or so in Fargo, match them up and flip a coin. On any given day one can beat the other unless you play a really long set to see if one can pull away. Which I doubt.
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The single long race format has its own set of troubles.

Those 800+ beasts just need a harder game and the elimination of safes to ensure they shoot at the holes.
 
kollegedave said:
I was there. The tournament was miserable, and I will never go back. Easily, the worst run event I have ever attended.

kollegedave
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Even if the tournament was ran badly, that article sure took some jabs at Fedor. Not that I care, but yeah, they would not miss him if he decides never to go back there.
 
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