Diamond Pro-Am question

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tim913

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I was playing on a 9 foot Pro-Am last night, level was great, banking the same, beautiful solid table but I noticed something I hadn’t before when I played on them. I usually play on a 9 foot GC.
When I would stroke the ball hard the CB rebounded with a little hop., banks were the same. Example would be if you just powered a dead cross side bank, the ball would go with no problem but it had a little air under it.
Anyone else notice this or do you think it had something to do with the table setup. All rails did this, not just one .. thanks!
 
tim913 said:
I was playing on a 9 foot Pro-Am last night, level was great, banking the same, beautiful solid table but I noticed something I hadn’t before when I played on them. I usually play on a 9 foot GC.
When I would stroke the ball hard the CB rebounded with a little hop., banks were the same. Example would be if you just powered a dead cross side bank, the ball would go with no problem but it had a little air under it.
Anyone else notice this or do you think it had something to do with the table setup. All rails did this, not just one .. thanks!
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Lots of factors could be at play here.

Was it humid? Was the table clean? What kid of product is used to clean the balls?
 
It was in a nice place, super clean aramith balls, red measles CB, table clean and covered when not in play. Temp was controlled.. must be the setup
 
Would only happen on power strokes, which I rarely use in a match, but had some time to kill after the match so I was experimenting
 
You'll get a lot of disagreement on this but...

A "properly setup" Gold Crown has never done this, while a "properly setup" Diamond still does occasionally. While I like both tables, Diamond's rails have been inching closer to playing like Gold Crowns for years, but they just haven't gotten there.

I think players have grown accustomed to how Diamonds play and have favored them because of their pocket difficulty, but not because of how their rails play and track.
 
BasementDweller said:
You'll get a lot of disagreement on this but...

A "properly setup" Gold Crown has never done this, while a "properly setup" Diamond still does occasionally. While I like both tables, Diamond's rails have been inching closer to playing like Gold Crowns for years, but they just haven't gotten there.

I think players have grown accustomed to how Diamonds play and have favored them because of their pocket difficulty, but not because of how their rails play and track.
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I bought a new 9' ProAm in November.
Prior to this purchase, I have owned 3 different GCs.
This Diamond table is the first I've have ever played that banks exactly like the GCs.
It does not bank even a single degree short.
I love it.
Oh, and no hop off my rails on any speed shot I've hit thus far.
 
Tennesseejoe said:
Rail nose height or angle. Or ball size, but I doubt that.
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I was watching the pros play on the predator tables last year in Tucson.
Many tables were launching the balls several inches into the air off the rails when they were struck moderately hard.
Later, Oscar was crawling under the tables, loosening the rail bolts and shoving pennies under the rails to remedy the problem.
 
JolietJames said:
I bought a new 9' ProAm in November.
Prior to this purchase, I have owned 3 different GCs.
This Diamond table is the first I've have ever played that banks exactly like the GCs.
It does not bank even a single degree short.
I love it.
Oh, and no hop off my rails on any speed shot I've hit thus far.
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Must be the setup then I haven’t heard of this being a problem
 
Might just be the cloth is dirty at the nose of the cushion. They might be very meticulous with cleaning the rest of the table, but missing the nose ball contact area. I see this on tables where the same drills are practiced for many hours in between cleaning. The general grime, ball cleaner, chalk and whatever else gets transferred to those points via the balls and it will tend to hop some in those areas.
 
tim913 said:
I was playing on a 9 foot Pro-Am last night, level was great, banking the same, beautiful solid table but I noticed something I hadn’t before when I played on them. I usually play on a 9 foot GC.
When I would stroke the ball hard the CB rebounded with a little hop., banks were the same. Example would be if you just powered a dead cross side bank, the ball would go with no problem but it had a little air under it.
Anyone else notice this or do you think it had something to do with the table setup. All rails did this, not just one .. thanks!
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I have seen this at Buffalo’s. Players climb on the tables, no one really cleans them, half of them have round circles or rack stains from the stupid beer drinkers. Great room but it needs real employees😭
 
How can the cushion height be off on a Diamond? The Artemis cushions last forever. No one is swapping them out. They are 99.99% factory installs.

My vote is just Diamond's rails high sensitivities to cloth wear, ball cleanliness, humidity, etc.. compared to GC rails.
 
Lawnboy77 said:
Might just be the cloth is dirty at the nose of the cushion. They might be very meticulous with cleaning the rest of the table, but missing the nose ball contact area. I see this on tables where the same drills are practiced for many hours in between cleaning. The general grime, ball cleaner, chalk and whatever else gets transferred to those points via the balls and it will tend to hop some in those areas.
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Had this happening on a gc4 before I put on new rail cloth. Rails were not real old but I was waxing them with the aramith cleaner and RKC had mentioned that too much wax building up on the noses of cushions could cause it. I've since switched to tiger ball cleaner.
 
Black-Balled said:
I don't think this question requires a consultant.

Definitely a cushion nose height issue.

The likelihood it is some sort of contaminant is about 0.
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Unless it's the first Diamond from 1989, or a Red label someone switched to Blue and did it improperly, no one is changing cushions on a Diamond, which means the cushion height is perfect. We are not talking about a 60 year old GC that they don't even make the cushions for anymore, so they are all bastardized, with belt sanded faces or pennies under the rails.

This is just normal Diamond stuff.

I was at the Tunica tournament, you should have seen how high the balls were bouncing off the rails there. There was one table a Pro was on and it was so bad, he went to get Paul Smith after his match. Paul checked the table over, of course there was nothing wrong with it, it was brand new. These were Blue tables btw.
 
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