Linseed oil and super glue

I kinda disagree, as this is a specific section, and One should be able to trust the overall answers to an extent....I have had some old time cuemakers give me bad advice early on....due to the whole secrets deal thing.... and cost me money I couldn't afford at the time. Ask the Cue maker is exactly what the title is....it's not called ask a dumbass.....or ask someone that handled a 2x4......it's called 'Ask A Cuemaker' for reason.......if a cuemaker doesn't want to answer, that is their own decision, and I will always respect that....but people with no real clue giving bad/wrong advise.....NOT RIGHT and should not be allowed! Worst part is they don't even realize they don't know that they don't know anything related to building/repairing cues.I

I agree with most that you have said here, however, you did mention that you were given bad advice from real cuemakers early on in your cuemaking.
So your paragraph here is sort of contradictory. You got bad advice from real cue makers, that goes to say anyone can give good advice or bad advice. I too have been given good advice and bad advice and from cuemakers. However, i've gotten good info from non cuemakers, machinist, wood suppliers , etc
Everyone has something to share, teach and learn
 
Rewinding.... The question is can CA be used OVER LO...... The answers seem to be when used the 2 are mixed not used on top of each other. Where are we? Aside from experimenting does the finish look substantially better than CA alone?

Please feel free to request the subject gets moved to a different area.
From what I understand the linseed oil bonds with the CA, so if you put a coat of oil first it penetrates the wood and then the CA bonds to it. I’ve finished 2 cues with just CA. The first one, as soon as the butt was bumped by accident the CA blistered off the wood. I think it’s because the CA dries so quickly it doesn’t really soak into the wood.

I recently tried one with oil and so far it’s held up. Time will tell. I have access to a full spray booth and usually use auto clear but figured I’d give the CA a shot again. If it fails I’ll update…
 
To give you a idea of my situation, I own a bar in Iowa, and pool is one of the biggest activities here. I bought one of Chris's first deluxe cuesmith with sliding head stock many years ago. It was my intention to do minor repairs and build some sneaky pete type cues, and then when I retired from my day job driving semi I would get more serious. Well that day has come, and now I intend to try and make a few bucks on the side, and build more complex cues. So I guess I am a hobbyist striving to become a cue builder.
 
To give you a idea of my situation, I own a bar in Iowa, and pool is one of the biggest activities here. I bought one of Chris's first deluxe cuesmith with sliding head stock many years ago. It was my intention to do minor repairs and build some sneaky pete type cues, and then when I retired from my day job driving semi I would get more serious. Well that day has come, and now I intend to try and make a few bucks on the side, and build more complex cues. So I guess I am a hobbyist striving to become a cue builder.
Start somewhere… learn from doing. Your skills will keep improving if you communicate with the right people. Have fun.
 
I finish my shaft joints with olive oil then CA. Rub the oil on the spinning shaft until it's burnished and dry to the touch. One coat of thin CA to seal it then put on medium heavy and spread it even with a playing card. Let it spin slowly for about a half hour until it's hard then wet sand it 1000-1500-2000-polish. No activator it can cloud it. Quickest easiest way I have found for a small part like that. The oil gives the wood and the joint a luster prior to the thin CA seal coat. I do my JP's the same way. I have tried multiple thin coats and it's arduous to say the least. Get the CA on there thick and work back with sand paper is much quicker than thin coats in my experience. I have never tried to finish a cue like this but have done some extensions. I'm guessing it would work fine on a cue but may take two times after sanding the first layer.
 
Hey rat fookerz do I have something for y’all!

I did this little write up on this finishing technique in 2011 for what its worth I thought it was posted here but I ended up finding it on my Facebook timeline lol I knew I had it kept safe for prosperity somewhere.

Enjoy and don’t forget to breathe


“Finishing turnings with CA(superglue) & BLO”

Written in 2011

IMOP CA by itself is only "good" because its cheap, fast turnover and no equipment really needed like spray booths and such.

CA is noxious so make sure you have good ventilation.

You also need the right sandpaper grits or better yet high enough grits. CA needs either polishing up to 12,000 MICRO GRIT or you can go to 2000 and then use polishing/buffing compounds.

When sanding the CA spin the lathe and make a pass then turn it off and use the same grit traveling LENGTHWAYS up and down the shaft in smooth even passes. When spinning the sandpaper will leave ring scratches around the circumference of the cue, when you stop it and sand lengthways it removes the circular scratches and will leave the finish "scratches" running with the grain of the wood.

If you don't go through the proper grits in this fashion your going to have swirls and fine scratches in the finish and that really shows up when the cue is polished out.

WATER IS A NO NO!!!!!! KEEP WATER OF ANY KIND AWAY FROM WHERE YOUR WORKING...........don't breath on the CA, don't touch the CA with your bare fingers..........WATER MAKES CA TURN FROST WHITE!

As for the statment that CA flashes b/f it penetrates the wood, thats variable from type to type and brand to brand. YOU CAN FIX THIS PROBLEM VERY SIMPLE..........and the technique fixes another innate problem with CA, its BRITTLENESS.

The best CA would have a somewhat controlled drying time as to get maximum wood penetration and be somewhat flexible so as not to bubble when hit....the bubbling when it gets hit is for two reasons

A) either they didn't use a sealer and the CA dried b/f it penetrated the wood
😎 its too brittle/hard

Now here's the fix:

You can adjust the drying time of CA very simply. All it takes is OIL. Olive Oil, Corn Oil, Baby Oil, Vegetable Oil, Danish Oil.

The yellow oils such as Corn/vegetable/olive even help to add that little tint of honey that you find in old growth maple..........if you don't want any tinting of the finish then use a Baby Oil/Mineral Oil as its clear.

I cover the bottle of oil with a cloth and turn it over so as to get a nice silver dollar sized oil pad on my cloth. Then with the lathe spinning I add a layer of the oil, IMMIDEATELY after I grab my THIN CA and again with the lathe spinning I keep my cloth on the wood and drip the CA onto the workpiece right on top my cloth going up and down the workpiece for a min or so untill the cloth is stiff from the CA drying, and the finish is "SET"

The finish is already very very smooth so only if necessary i hit it with a light grit steel wool. DO NOT DO THIS IF THE FINISH ISN'T DRY YET, you will strip it all off if you do........as the oil makes the CA's drying time increase drastically.

If my coat is smooth I'll forgo the steel wool and grab another cloth put the oil on it and repeat the same exact process i described above.

You can use thin, you can use thick CA with this method.......it doesn't make a diff since the drying time is lengthened so that you have plenty of time to smooth it out without your cloth instead of sanding.

Depending on if you use a Thin or a Thick you could need anywhere from around 7 to 20 coats to complete the process.

After its done and you have it thick enough to work with let it sit for quite a few hours b/f sanding as to be certain that the finish has dried fully.

Sand & Polish the finish like i have described.

These finishes have more "depth" than auto clears/epoxies/UV this is b/c of the OIL........

Another thing to know is that the OIL is going to fill in any small scratches and such on the top layer before your next layer is applied. This is another reason that I really don't sand b/t coats since A) Its already smooth/even. 😎 There are no scratches.

Also sanding can leave little white spots in the low areas that can easily be missed and those will show up if you don't watch your surface cleanliness....the spots are just DUST sitting in the tiny low spot or scratch.......if you sand or use whatever then hit it with a piece of TACK CLOTH to remove the bad dust and debris from the workpiece.

After its clean then start with your oil on the cloth again and make a pass. INSPECT IT and check for particles in the oil coat on the workpiece....anything will show up very well as the oil makes the surface glossy so trespassing particles will be easy to see and remove before continuing with the process.

DONT USE ACCELERATOR IT WILL DEFEAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS METHOD AND MAKES CA AN EVEN WORSE PRODUCT OVERALL FOR USE ON A CUES FINISH IMOP

Overall the method i described above does take longer than "normal" application methods but its just WAIT TIME as opposed to Work time

There is one great benefit that helps the method is that IF PROPERLY DONE and IF the start surface is already smooth and sealed SANDING PRIOR TO FINAL SAND WILL BE NONEXISTENT........this makes less time making any dust that can harm you or dirty the work area.........I really don't want to sand at all untill I'm finished since the particles can find their way into your work really easy.......drop something and it could go airborne and land in your finish.....so at least for me I don't really sand I take the time to make sure I don't have to.........

If and when I do sand I use a piece of angle iron as my sanding block to get everything perfectly flush...........I switched from wet sanding with a little water to just using a light or clear oil such as the mineral oil.......it reduces friction and heat which an excess of can damage a CA finish IMOP along with making a nice slurry which makes for less scratches as your going through the grits, which makes for a higher mirror shine.

When I'm done I wipe down the cue with windex or some other household cleaner to remove the oil and slurry mixture on the surface, I then hit it with Meguires Swirl X and then a carnauba and KAPOW shine shine shine.........

This finish is deeper, bonds better b/c of extended drying time so it can penetrate the wood, the oil also bonds with the CA and makes it flexible so it doesn't ding and bubble up from separation.

For those that try it PM me with your results or any questions you may have.

have fun,
-Grey Ghost-
 
A repair of a repair.
Hahahahahahaha
Looked ok when it left this persons shop for a couple of months.
GO AHEAD
Keep using c/a
For those who don't know,
When you repair this with actual good finish, you have to sand back to the bare wood then sand some more to get below what was penetrated by the c/a process.
IT'S A PAIN IN THE ASS, ESPECIALLY on burls.
 

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I have seen that happen when I used to finish pens with ca by laying on thick coats and wet sanding back multiple coats to smooth out. What was happening I think was that the first few times sanding back you would some times actually sand through to bare wood and put moisture in to it. Then you put ca on again over to build the finish and you were trapping the moisture in the wood where you had previously sanded through.
After your final finish coats and polishing, you would then find grayish areas under the finish where you had previously wet sanded through. I no longer wet sand the finish layers and have not had that problem since. In fact I virtually never have to sand back any layer unless I screw up applying it.
I really don't understand why anyone would use ca as a finish for cues. There seems to be so many better options available. Knowing CA and it's issues, I would never buy a cue that had it as a finish.
 
A repair of a repair.
Hahahahahahaha
Looked ok when it left this persons shop for a couple of months.
GO AHEAD
Keep using c/a
For those who don't know,
When you repair this with actual good finish, you have to sand back to the bare wood then sand some more to get below what was penetrated by the c/a process.
IT'S A PAIN IN THE ASS, ESPECIALLY on burls.
This info is greatly appreciated thank you
 
The thought process has become.
You take the time to build the Cue (Hopefully)
WHY????
Does it need to have the finish done in a day?
If you can't spray, shit! Even if you can. Learn about sealing the Cue properly.
I could tell you the answer, so couldn't Mr. B.
But we would be doing you an injustice.
Invest in yourself. It's worth it as long as you think it is!
 
A repair of a repair.
Hahahahahahaha
Looked ok when it left this persons shop for a couple of months.
GO AHEAD
Keep using c/a
For those who don't know,
When you repair this with actual good finish, you have to sand back to the bare wood then sand some more to get below what was penetrated by the c/a process.
IT'S A PAIN IN THE ASS, ESPECIALLY on burls.
Badly done work shows up after a while. No matter what you use :)
 
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