Ball movement and accuracy - 12.5 vs 12.9 diameter tip

pw98 said:
The effects that people 'notice' with shaft diameter changes are to do with the natural pivot point changing and where they bridge. They have nothing to do with what you are saying. Just take a practice ball and compare the contact point size for these two different sized tips and you will see it is exactly the same.

As far as moving the ball easier you might have a harder tip on the mezz allowing you to hit the ball softer and get the same power. It might also have a different weight that is more suited to your playing style/body type.
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Exactly 100% the BS I'm talking about
 
garczar said:
Just last night i hit a EddieFarris sneaky owned by fellow AZ'r D.Remick. G10 pin, 12.8mm and around 19oz. One of the lieveliest sweetest hitting cues i've ever tried. Never been a fan of anything under 12.75. Never had any accuracy/action issues with full-size(12.7-13mm) lumber.
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Eddie is a under rated cue maker😉
 
fish2 said:
Taleof two cues.
18.35 oz cue with a 12.5 diameter tip Mezz Sigma shaft and a 19.38 oz cue with a 12.9 diameter Vantage shaft, both have the same tip. After two hours of playing, I feel that I can move the ball easier with the Mezz cue, but accuracy seems to have improved by using the 12.9 tip.....
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My experience is with 314-1 shaft (12.7mm tip) versus Z2 shaft (11.7mm) versus Z2-S-tuned (11.5mm)

As the tip size decreases, you can more easily move the CB around, but you have to be considerably more deliberate with your stroke.
 
FunChamp said:
Your stroke is everything. Any and all accuracy goes back to your stroke. Regardless of what you have in your hand.
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Very well put, thicker or thinner. It's all personal preference. Aswell as, all shafts playing slightly different. Today's trend seems to be on the thinner side.
I remember reyes, old jessie cue that was 12MM. And the meucci he used, was turned down to 12.5mm. That was in the 90s.
 
joelpope said:
Just to put this conversation into perspective, the difference between 12.5mm & 12.9mm is less than 2 one hundredths of an inch. Any variation in radius shape between the two tips is far more important than the diameter.
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Yes, fully agree. FYI, here's a visual of 1mm differences in tip size (about twice actual size for clarity). 1mm is about 2.5 times the 0.4mm difference you mention.

Differences in tip widths have almost nothing objective to do with stick performance (except amount of squirt).

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chgo

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Patrick Johnson said:
How do you think that works? What does "more easily move the CB" mean?

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CB seems to do more of what I want. I attribute this to the flexibility (more) of the thinner shafts. I cannot directly attribute this to more spin. But perhaps the shaft just does more of what I want (or less of what I don't want) without any particular explanation.

But perhaps it is like you stated: better visualization, and the need to place the cue tip more precisely is what I call "deliberately".
 
I started with the full size tip and tried it for a bit and didn't like it. I had it taken down a couple times to where I thought it was good and at 11.5 mm I'm happy with the result I was after.
 
alphadog said:
PJ don't you play with a small tip? Why is that?
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I play with a 11.5mm shaft. Not PJ small but on the low end in the world of pool. For me, as a former snooker player, it's about comfort, nothing more.

I can play with any size tip because I understand the edge of the tip is what moves the CB around, not the diameter of it. The adjustment to produce the same amount of draw for example (in my case) is just lowering my bridge, so the edge of the tip contacts the same point on the CB as my 11.5mm tip would 'naturally'.

Smaller the shaft, the greater importance on straight mechanics. You end up playing with the edge of the tip with far less offset from center ball.
 
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