Cue Lift Technique … Is It Legal?

[dr_dave]

FYI, I just posted a new video that looks at the controversial cue-lift technique useful for avoiding double hits and for playing finesse safeties. I explain why these shots are illegal under the official rules of pool:

As always, I look forward to your feedback, comments, questions, complaints, and requests.

Enjoy!

 

[Patrick Johnson]

FYI, I just posted a new video that looks at the controversial cue-lift technique useful for avoiding double hits and for playing finesse safeties. I explain why these shots are illegal under the official rules of pool:

As always, I look forward to your feedback, comments, questions, complaints, and requests.

Enjoy!

Yep, not a normal forward stroke and intentional miscue.

Good info, Dave.

pj
chgo

 

[PoolIsScience]

I saw a guy once put his cue on the table, step across from the ball it was pointed at, lean over and pick the ferrule up with his fingers, and nudge the cue ball forward. I said foul and a referee said it wasn't . I asked to explain and he said the tip made contact and then I said yeah because he pulled the tip into the cue ball and up. I said it was just like scooping on a jumpshot. I was apparently still "wrong".

 

[bbb]

great to have a video on this dr dave
it is misunderstood by alot of players

 

[dr_dave]

I saw a guy once put his cue on the table, step across from the ball it was pointed at, lean over and pick the ferrule up with his fingers, and nudge the cue ball forward.

I should have shown this version of the shot. It is even easier, but still illegal.

 

[bbb]

I saw a guy once put his cue on the table, step across from the ball it was pointed at, lean over and pick the ferrule up with his fingers, and nudge the cue ball forward. I said foul and a referee said it wasn't . I asked to explain and he said the tip made contact and then I said yeah because he pulled the tip into the cue ball and up. I said it was just like scooping on a jumpshot. I was apparently still "wrong".

I should have shown this version of the shot. It is even easier, but still illegal.

I never saw this

 

[Bob Jewett]

I saw a guy once put his cue on the table, step across from the ball it was pointed at, lean over and pick the ferrule up with his fingers, and nudge the cue ball forward. I said foul and a referee said it wasn't . I asked to explain and he said the tip made contact and then I said yeah because he pulled the tip into the cue ball and up. I said it was just like scooping on a jumpshot. I was apparently still "wrong".

In that situation, you can instead move the stick straight towards the ball. I think that constitutes a forward stroke and is legal.

 

[straightline]

Rules rule but if you got some time, knowing what that stroke does has value.. You could always match up per that stroke.

 

[straightline]

Oh, I forgot to add what I do instead. In all those safety shots you can get similar results with a simple tap at extreme right or left english points.

 

[dr_dave]

In that situation, you can instead move the stick straight towards the ball. I think that constitutes a forward stroke and is legal.

For those interested, here's a demonstration of the legal technique, stroking with the fingers close to the ferrule (from the side or from the other side of the CB):

 

[dr_dave]

Oh, I forgot to add what I do instead. In all those safety shots you can get similar results with a simple tap at extreme right or left english points.

Are you referring to an intentional miscue safety like this:

If so, that is not allowed under the WPA official rules of pool.

 

[dr_dave]

FYI, I just posted a new video that looks at the controversial cue-lift technique useful for avoiding double hits and for playing finesse safeties. I explain why these shots are illegal under the official rules of pool:

As always, I look forward to your feedback, comments, questions, complaints, and requests.

Enjoy!

Many people on Facebook and YouTube have claimed this sort of shot is allowed in the APA. Does anybody know if that is the case "officially," or is it just "permitted to happen?" If it is allowed, does the APA also allow other types of "intentional miscues" like those shown in the videos under "intentional miscue fouls" here:

miscue fouls in pool​

 

[maha]

why even mention it. all it can do is start issues. it is really of no consequence in a game and all it does is let the creeps that calls all rules on a newer player to get them disinterested in tournaments and leagues.

 

[dr_dave]

why even mention it. all it can do is start issues. it is really of no consequence in a game and all it does is let the creeps that calls all rules on a newer player to get them disinterested in tournaments and leagues.

I don't think a "newer player" would ever think to try a shot like this. It would only be done by an experienced player who is taking advantage of inexperienced players and the the lack of clear rules in the APA. Other examples might included disguised double hits, intentional miscues, and other skillful but illegal shots.

 

[CLAUD]

Many people on Facebook and YouTube have claimed this sort of shot is allowed in the APA. Does anybody know if that is the case "officially," or is it just "permitted to happen?" If it is allowed, does the APA also allow other types of "intentional miscues" like those shown in the videos under "intentional miscue fouls" here:

miscue fouls in pool​

I emailed the local APA league operator for a ruling

 

[hurricane145]

With the stacked mechanical bridges, I'd probably fumble them and the object balls would be flying all over the place!

 

[dr_dave]

I emailed the local APA league operator for a ruling

I look forward to seeing what response you get. I checked the APA rules online and didn't see anything one way or the other. Although, the following APA ball-in-hand foul could be interpreted in a way that would make the cue-lift or any intentional-miscue shot illegal:

"Altering the course of a moving cue ball, including a double-hit"​

 

[MitchAlsup]

In that situation, you can instead move the stick straight towards the ball. I think that constitutes a forward stroke and is legal.

Does this not violate the "used in a normal manner" rule with respect to use of the cue stick ?? {held from the end and pushed forward}

 

[CLAUD]

I look forward to seeing what response you get. I checked the APA rules online and didn't see anything one way or the other. Although, the following APA ball-in-hand foul could be interpreted in a way that would make the cue-lift or any intentional-miscue shot illegal:

"Altering the course of a moving cue ball, including a double-hit"​

He said it was allowed. A little disappointed, but at least we know what the ruling is.

 

[dr_dave]

He said it was allowed. A little disappointed, but at least we know what the ruling is.

I have heard this from many other APA people also. It seems arbitrary to me since it is not clear in the written rules. It makes me wonder about other creative and illegal shots that would also be allowed in APA. Sounds like a good follow-up video.