Another WWYD

[bbb]

2 rail the ball to my pocket
play the cueball to hit below near his pocket so the cue ball end up in the kitchen but on the same side as the object ball
makes a return bank if you miss more dificult
i could use low right and end up on the side by the ball in the corner
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Bank the 1 ball two cushions to your pocket. Use low right on the cue ball. It will go three rails to end by the 13 or maybe put it in. You don't really want to make the 13 but it can prevent the only scratch you have to worry about.

BBB's diagram is wrong. The cue ball will not go that long if you make the 1 ball.

bob
i was trying to show the gist of the shot if possible
the "natural" is the right hand english to come around the table as you diagrammed
i like to use low to avoid an initial kiss off the first rail
mr 3 cushion knows more than me (as do you) and didnt need the the low to avoid the kiss in the middle of the table or off the first rail
nice shot bill (mr 3 cushion)

I think we're where we need to be for the reveal.

I did shoot the bank on the 9 ball. It's a 'natural' 3 cushion shot with the CB.

Half ball hit with extreme 3 O'clock English.

BTW, this in on a 5'x10' GC1.

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[David in FL]

Just curious, why wouldn't you mind both balls going in on your shot?
You need only 1 ball, why put 2 balls in play for your opponent?

If they both go in, they both spot with the cue ball locked in that upper pocket. I wouldn't necessarily consider that putting "two balls in play".

Two rails with the nine was a great shot. I didn't think you could avoid that double kiss but you obviously did!

 

[GoldCrown]

If they both go in, they both spot with the cue ball locked in that upper pocket. I wouldn't necessarily consider that putting "two balls in play".

A strong or experienced player that knows "end of game" would never do that. They will keep the out of play ball out of play. Getting both balls spotted puts both in play. The shooter that is down 2 would look for that...not the person needing 1.

 

[mr3cushion]

If they both go in, they both spot with the cue ball locked in that upper pocket. I wouldn't necessarily consider that putting "two balls in play".

Two rails with the nine was a great shot. I didn't think you could avoid that double kiss but you obviously did!

Anytime balls are within 2 diamonds of both players pocket, they are in play. At that moment, You need only 1 ball, let your opponent worry about how they get the 2nd ball they need sitting in the worst position for them.

I put a ball in or near my pocket and sent the CB back to a good spot for me, diagonal to my hole.

 

[GoldCrown]

If they both go in, they both spot with the cue ball locked in that upper pocket. I wouldn't necessarily consider that putting "two balls in play".

Two rails with the nine was a great shot. I didn't think you could avoid that double kiss but you obviously did!

The fun/beauty of 1p is something gets learned each and every time. There are no mistakes.
Good thread. These situations come up repeatedly.

 

[mr3cushion]

The video cut out. It did look like the ball was going and the cue ball was staying on the table. Nice shot. It looks like an extra coat of paint on the balls and you would have double kissed.

I play 3C, standard 3 cushion natural. May have played this position of OB and CB and going 3 cushions toward the corner at least 2,000-3,000 times in my life.

 

[bbb]

I play 3C, standard 3 cushion natural. May have played this position of OB and CB and going 3 cushions toward the corner at least 2,000-3,000 times in my life.

i think you grossly underestimate i do.

 

[mr3cushion]

i think you grossly underestimate i do.

Larry, to me it means the 'exact' position of the OB and CB that distance apart and both being frozen on the cushion.

3C is a game of millimeters. If the CB or OB are in a mm's difference in positions, the shot may have to be played differently. i.e., a kiss, position, safety, score/safety.

 

[TRWpool]

This very shot is in my book, "One Pocket: A Game Of Controlled Aggression"
Here is a screen shot and analysis of the situation.

Image 3.3 shows the ball path and image 3.4 above, shows the result with the pocketed ball spotted. Had the one ball fallen you would be shooting for the win otherwise your opponent must now deal with both balls in play.
If you only need one ball don’t even think about taking this shot. In this case the five ball is entirely out of play, and the potential reward is not worth the risk of putting that ball back into play.

Image 3.5 illustrates an aggressive and potentially game winning shot when needing only one of the two remaining balls. This alternative to playing safe provides you an opportunity to win the game and at a minimum forces your opponent into a defensive posture. This two rail bank on the one ball can score the winning ball. Drawing the cue ball with right hand english will allow the cue ball to travel safely three rails back up table.

By playing this shot you accomplish multiple goals. First, you have given yourself a good opportunity to score the game winning ball. Second, you will have created a certain degree of uneasiness in the mind of your opponent by letting him know of your ability and willingness to shoot aggressive shots from unconventional positions. And third, you will have forced your foe to focus on the lone ball still in play. Your opponent would like nothing more than to have the opportunity to get the five ball in play. Find ways to thwart him from that goal by keeping him occupied with the other ball.

It's a great shot to know and have in your arsenal.
Nice post Bill. In all sincerity!

Tom

 

[mr3cushion]

This very shot is in my book, "One Pocket: A Game Of Controlled Aggression"
Here is a screen shot and analysis of the situation.

Image 3.3 shows the ball path and image 3.4 above, shows the result with the pocketed ball spotted. Had the one ball fallen you would be shooting for the win otherwise your opponent must now deal with both balls in play.
If you only need one ball don’t even think about taking this shot. In this case the five ball is entirely out of play, and the potential reward is not worth the risk of putting that ball back into play.

Image 3.5 illustrates an aggressive and potentially game winning shot when needing only one of the two remaining balls. This alternative to playing safe provides you an opportunity to win the game and at a minimum forces your opponent into a defensive posture. This two rail bank on the one ball can score the winning ball. Drawing the cue ball with right hand english will allow the cue ball to travel safely three rails back up table.

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By playing this shot you accomplish multiple goals. First, you have given yourself a good opportunity to score the game winning ball. Second, you will have created a certain degree of uneasiness in the mind of your opponent by letting him know of your ability and willingness to shoot aggressive shots from unconventional positions. And third, you will have forced your foe to focus on the lone ball still in play. Your opponent would like nothing more than to have the opportunity to get the five ball in play. Find ways to thwart him from that goal by keeping him occupied with the other ball.

It's similar! Positions of the CB and OB are different, not frozen and further down the short rail, (a Little easier) to create the angle of the bank and CB return.

 

[TRWpool]

That's true, Bill. As the object ball becomes located further from the side rail there is more room to negotiate the path of both cue ball and object ball. The object ball along the top rail and somewhere between the first diamond and middle diamond is ideal.

Again, nice post!

Tom

 

[tomatoshooter]

I play 3C, standard 3 cushion natural. May have played this position of OB and CB and going 3 cushions toward the corner at least 2,000-3,000 times in my life.

I did notice the resemblance to a 3 Cushion shot, and the username.

If you needed both balls and the cue ball bumped the 13 in, do you get to spot the 13 or is your turn over?

 

[mr3cushion]

I did notice the resemblance to a 3 Cushion shot, and the username.

If you needed both balls and the cue ball bumped the 13 in, do you get to spot the 13 or is your turn over?

If "I" need 2 balls, the 13 ball gets spotted and I keep shooting.

 

[MitchAlsup]

I'd agree it's riskier, but wouldn't really call it "high risk".

13 gets potted then gets spotted so CB position control difficulty increases--only relevant if you miss on the 9.

 

[easy-e]

13 gets potted then gets spotted so CB position control difficulty increases--only relevant if you miss on the 9.

I agree. I’m playing mostly cue ball.